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Why use a target camera for load development? Longshot LR-3 & 243 Win Telekinesis Rifle


Howdy, guys and gals! Welcome back to
the Social Regressive where we’re taking a look at telekinesis; first
rounds through the rifle. just about an hour ago I put the first rounds through
it so I could do my break-in I just got some factory ammo and got all the little
burrs out of there lapped up the barrel and so it should be good to go and we’re
gonna do some Satterlee tests now behind me here we have 105 grain Hornady boat
tail hollow points and then here we have some 87 s and some eighty seven grain
VMAX these are all with reloader 16 and these should all be very precise the
quick load recipe was looking very good on here and as you may have seen in the
past with 65 Creedmoor reloader 16 is great for these medium cartridges
especially some of these that have a little bit lighter weight projectiles
now these are heavy for caliber but still you know smaller than 308 this is
the target vision target camera so we have our unit right up close here this
is the one that is our little Wi-Fi router going back to the tablet all of
it comes inside this neat case but then way down range we have the the camera
unit and that one is very high resolution I’ll show you here in a
second on the tablet all this comes in one kit there are a couple different
levels this one is the long-range version that can get out past a mile
they actually have a two mile guarantee on this and of course we will be testing
that eventually maybe not with this rifle but with that 65 Creedmoor again it is really bright out here I’ll do my
best to show you the interface though I gotta get you inside the car here
alright so here’s the group that I just shot and this is the way that the
interface looks when you’re actually in here now first off if you want to take a
still shot of this target so you want to be able to just grab it
it’s that center button right there that’ll allow you to save a screenshot
now one thing to keep in mind is that it’s going to take a screenshot based on
whatever zoom you’re at so if you take this screenshot you’re not going to have
all this data this is actually quite large I’ll put an annotation of the
actual dimensions you can get the pixel dimensions because this is a very sharp
camera and I think this is one of the things that really sets it apart from
all the others out there this is very high resolution as you can see these
little six millimeter holes in here are showing up nicely now if we wanted to
mark some of these shots that we could keep track of them which is a big deal
for me in a Satterlee load work up then what I
could do is I could just zoom in on these and then start clicking them one
two three four if I make a mistake I can just press that to back up try it again
see I can start marking all these up so I can know which ones this is very
important for Satterlee because those those hits can actually kind of move
around here in ways that you don’t really expect they can actually start
coming down and then come back up it really gets into some weird harmonics if
you want to hide these shot markers all you have to do is hit the eyeball right
there they go away hit it again and they come back and all of this can be
controlled right up here you can choose your marker color marker size now right
here if you click new session this will allow you to save everything that you do
so all of your screen shots will be kind of saved inside here and you can keep
all of your data one thing to keep in mind is that that shot marker is not
saved in any way unless you take that screen shot and then you can see it in
the picture we’re going to interpret the data while
it’s still fresh but before we do that I wanted to take a close look at some of
the gear that we used out there this longshot lr3 is such an amazing little
piece of gear for just for this kind of work where you can’t necessarily see
your holes and we’ll talk about that but first also I wanted to show off
some of the things that I configured here on the the telekinesis rifle again
this is a savage 12 F V and 243 and the big thing that we’re really testing here
is that preferred barrel this is from preferred barrel blanks beautifully cut
it’s a 3r rifle and it’s a one-in-eight twist 243 Winchester it’s not you know
anything really fancy you like 243 ai or anything I just really love 243
Winchester it’s a wonderful cartridge and what we have sitting up on top here
this is the Bushnell match Pro scope I still think that this is not yet
available for sale I’ve been doing some kind of pre testing on this and I am
blown away by it this takes pretty much all the tricks
that you can get from a Bushnell scope and then compiles them all into this one
6 to 24 by 50 package so this absorbs a lot of light it has just a ton of
resolution going on and this is going to be great for you match competitors but a
lot of us varminters as well really cool scope make sure that you keep
watching make sure you like share subscribe and hit that notification bell
because eventually I will release the full review of this scope also out on
this end this is the yhm phantom muzzle brake this is also the attachment for my
silencer this one can go it’s a sound so that goes up to 30 caliber and this is a
currently muzzle threaded for 5/8 24 so eventually I can start to work a little
bit more quietly with this I’m really looking forward to that especially on
prairie dogs that is gonna be a whole lot of fun alright so this right here
this is the longshot lr3 there are a couple of different models make sure you
go check out their catalogue I’ll put a link to long shot down below and this
one is kind they’re the highest end model they have
one that’s just set up for you know benchrest competitors that want to be able
to very quickly patch into this thing you just put the camera down range and
then you can you know see your targets within probably about 300 yards and
actually that product is in this box right now so that’s gonna be the camera
unit and you can see that number one it’s it’s very stylish-looking they
obviously went to some lengths to make it look good and it’s just you know very
solid overall this is partly weatherproof so if it does start to
drizzle on you you’re not gonna lose your camera it’s not gonna blow up or
anything and yet everything is just very neatly squared away on here inside the
the case you do get a charger and this is gonna work for both units if you want
to be able to charge both pieces at once you probably need to purchase a separate
charger here but you do get one see yeah just plugs in right down here and then
this is your switch for on and off very simple it’s just gonna light up and tell
you how much battery you have left so actually after our session yesterday
okay we have about half battery left it’s giving us two dots of battery
indication also once you power this up these are gonna start to light up to let
you know number one do you have power are you connecting and this is not just
that camera but it is a Wi-Fi router as well you’ll notice there are no wires to
hang off this it’s all just neatly in one piece and what you do I set it up on
this tiny little tripod out by your target and then this is going to get you
a little bit of space up above the ground a little bit of clearance this is
built so that you know as long as you have pretty good line-of-sight you’re
gonna get a decent connection but I will say that part of the reason why they
have these is Fornells own interference and Fornells own obstruction and if you
want to check out some little things I can put a link down below to
how those work but sometimes out over flat farmland you can actually get into
interference where you can start to lose connection so make sure you don’t just
put this flat on the ground use these little tripods it’s gonna at
least hopefully help to keep from those obstructions oh one thing I should point
out here the camera once you get it in place
the back of this kind of faces toward the sportsman it faces toward you and then
if you want to be able to angle the camera to point toward your target like
you want to be able to put it kind of off from the target a little bit so you
know maybe if you drop a round it’s not going to go through the unit this is not
armored at all but you can actually aim the camera left right up and down
depending on what you’re doing and I might as well mention that this is
threaded right here for any kind of tripod so if you want to be able to use
a higher tripod to get up to maybe a higher target you can certainly use that
instead of these little guys that come in the case the other piece is going to
be this little base unit right here you can use to extend your distance so this
if you’re getting past 300 yards and three hundred yards can sometimes be a
little bit sketchy depending on what kind of terrain you’re dealing with but
this is the one that’s going to get you out to that two miles plus you set this
up and it’s gonna do a very good job of grabbing the signal from this and then
kind of relaying it back to you and like I mention each of these is set up as a
Wi-Fi router so when you are setting up your your software here first you know
if you have your tablet or your phone or your laptop
you’re gonna connect to this Wi-Fi router that’s out there in the field and
then from there it’s gonna kind of automatically grab it inside the the
target vision software and allow you to see it now one last thing that I was
testing is this new bag I have a handful of these that were sent to me by this
sandbag company I’ll put a link to that below but this is a pretty nifty little
way to be able to quickly adapt Heights two different rifles so if you have
one that has a you know kind of a higher magazine or has a very big drop at the
toe like telekinesis does it just has a whole lot of vertical to it you can roll
this puppy up and use it as a sandbag rest and then if you want to be able to
get down lower to the ground you can start to unroll this in either direction
out in front of you or in back of you I think this is going to be a really cool
option for benchrest competitors where maybe I know that when I’m on a bench
and I don’t really like to fire from a bench very much if you have a bipod it
tends to kind of drag around on the concrete and you get that hop out of the
the bipod and in general it just doesn’t really interface very well this could be
a really cool option for you that can kind of get past some of those issues it
really allows the rifle to settle down especially if you kind of you know pound
a little channel into the sand and you sit up on top of this you can get
actually a kind of a very comfortable way of connecting the rifle kind of to
the ground it’s very stable but it’s also not going to have that in a hard
surface on hard surface sort of connection and you sort of get a smooth
recoil back through here I’m gonna continue to test these and let you know
what I think of these overall but yesterday’s test was a good indication
of how it works and I really do kind of dig it and this is actually not filled
with sand this is filled with walnut husks so it doesn’t weigh a whole ton
and I don’t know kind of curious to see how it’s gonna deal with water but I
think for the most part this is probably not gonna be one I’m gonna drag out into
the field this is gonna be more for range day and
then of course I’ve got the the champion rear bag going on here that which was a
really good match for this on the back end now we’re going to dig into that
delicious data and this requires some interpretation and it also does require
a coronagraph so actually up there I have my chrony beta model which
has it’s kind of the master model that has the extendable readout it has a
little screen you can bring out there and this is going to be crucial for
figuring out how this works we’re using kind of a
modified Satterlee load workup method and this is one that I’ve really shown
off in six five cream or so check out the link to that video I’ll put it
either around here or down in the description below because this is going
to show a little bit of a tweak to satyr Lee’s method where you know I’m starting
to not just have a decent looking overall length but I’ve actually kind of
shorten things up a little bit each time and I have actually four different
lengths so I have one that starts out with about a forty thousand jump back it
off by ten back it off by ten back it off by ten and we’re gonna see which one
of these came out the best what we’re looking for on this chart is we’re
trying to find out where we have some of these kind of plateaus in our velocity
graph here where the velocity is kind of stabilized and if those interact with
what we might consider the accuracy note on the barrel because the barrel is
gonna have a certain point in time I think where it’s going to you know be
settled down and kind of pointing in the right direction it’s not going to be
whipping anywhere and that’s gonna be our best accuracy but then we also want
to match it up with our best velocity precision so that at different distances
we can very easily get those rounds on target so let’s take a look here first
off and as we as we dig into this I’m gonna be using the screenshots that I
generated through the target vision software so that the camera was picking
it up back here and I was marking the shots and we’re gonna see where those
kind of cluster up together and are tight on the on the on the target and
then we’re going to have the velocities we’re gonna see if they overlap all
right so first off with our longest length we had 2.75 for as the cartridge
overall length with that 105 grain projectile and this was pretty wild
this one had a pretty wild ride through all of its velocities you can see that
it’s it’s curve is pretty crazy and that things really only started to
settle down as they got up toward the very top of those velocities the highest
charges that I had and one thing that I should mention
overall is that I was not getting any really weird pressure signs at all in
here I got no sticky bolt whatsoever the entire time I was firing everything
was very fingertip I could just flip the bolt pop the the cartridge out there was
no difficulty in extracting anything and we did start to put a little edge on the
roundness of some of the primers but overall I could grab anything that I
loaded up here and it’s at least going to be safe no weird pressure but yeah as
we get up toward the top we can see that the velocity start to settle down a
little bit at that 12 and 13 so we’re looking at 2907 velocity and 29 12 and
we’re getting into about a half inch spread actually between those last four
shots and we’re looking at the verticals here mostly as we take that overall
length down another ten thousandth we’re getting into one that doesn’t really
seem to match up this one had a very smooth curve overall and I can you know
readily see where my powder charge should be up you know kind of between
seven and eight that’s looking really good but unfortunately that’s where the
projectiles were really there was quite a bit of space between them there was a
lot of vertical space so I don’t think that this particular length worked out
very well for me I’m kind of getting some difference between where the
velocities were smooth and where the accuracy was smooth so we’re gonna jump
down so now we’re at two point seven three four and this is another one that
just overall is kind of met shots 9 and 10 were kinda sorta close but you know
it doesn’t match up with any of the velocity plateaus this one really is
kind of a mess so so far it’s looking like our first round was good let’s see
how the fourth one does this one starts to match up really well in addition so
we’re looking at seven point two four inches and then right around shot seven
this is where the magic starts to happen we get a really broad velocity plateau
and then we get roughly one inch of vertical space
between those shots and I think that’s starting to really indicate a good spot
of settling down I think this one could work very well so I think what I’m gonna
do is I will load up probably about ten rounds with that number seven charge and
we’ll see how that works and then we’re gonna take some from that that first
round we’re gonna do probably charge somewhere between shots twelve and
thirteen where things were really starting to settle down there as well
and we’re gonna see how those print we’re gonna check the velocities while
we’re out there and just make sure that everything’s looking good but I think
that one of those two is gonna be my best performer and you’ll notice that
they actually have very similar velocities just a little bit past 2,900
feet per second I did also work on those eighty sevens while I was out there and
I might indicate some of the data a little bit later but for now we’ll gloss
over that because those 105 s are gonna be just really fun for target work
very clean through the air high ballistic coefficient and they they
should make a good impact even on some you know kind of medium ish smaller game
if we decide to do that in general talking about the long shot lr3 and some
of the other models that they have this is one we’re just basically if you have
a difficult time seeing your target this is gonna be a must sometimes you can use
that spotting scope to be able to see things a little bit better of course you
can see trace through the air to see where your projectile’s gonna go but then
when it comes to actually seeing your impacts especially on paper out at some
of those longer distances even with a fine scope like this we had a ton of
Mirage today and I had a very difficult time seeing holes sometimes I
could see them where they were kind of clustering up together it’s like okay
yeah that’s where I’m printing but for the most part I couldn’t see an
individual hole that’s where this comes in and maybe do you know just
because of that Mirage a spotting scope might not have worked in that case
either there’s certainly a time for each a spotting scope is going to be able to
see trace it’s gonna be able to see misses and it’s gonna be able to move
around very quickly between different targets if I was you know maybe
a game or maybe hopping from target to target whereas this one the camera is
going to be locked down pointing it we know one target out there and I will
definitely not be able to see trace there is one little trick though
that I should mention so you know in the future as we’re firing at some of
these longer distances if I want to be able to see some of my misses impacts on
the ground around the targets this does have a video mode that kind of steps up
from the about one frame per second that you get it just kind of sends back a
high-resolution picture one per second so you can see your target but you can
switch it into a higher frame rate video mode which seems to be about 15 frames a
second and you can start to see more dirt splashes so hopefully together with
a spotting scope and with the camera system we can be able to figure out
impacts of some of those really long distances and as you’ve seen in some of
the previous videos those can be really tough thanks a bunch of everybody that
has made these videos possible thank you to longshot for sending the camera
system for me to check out I’ve been wanting to check this one out for a good
long while thank you to preferred barrel blanks for the the barrel that we have
on here and then Bushnell for the match pro rifle scope it’s nice to have a
bunch of folks that are interested in what we’ve been doing around here and
want to see you know if maybe their product can help improve our performance
out there and so far we’ve gotten into some really good ones but thank you to
patrons of the destructive arts we have sportsmen guide and Stan and Mary at the
338 Lapua Magnum level and then we have Joseph Davis and we have Peter at the
300 Win Mag level and then everybody else that’s chipping in a buck or two a
month to keep the lights on keep the cameras rolling and keep tests like
these coming you guys are really making it happen I’ll see you all around

10 thoughts on “Why use a target camera for load development? Longshot LR-3 & 243 Win Telekinesis Rifle

  1. I thought the hat would have special telekinetic powers that would move the bullets going down range into dead center bulls eye on every shot LOL

    Guess i will have to continue relying on the telekinetic powers of my 7mm08 that already does that LOL

    I lost the data I had for the 243 I had back in the early 1980's or I would give you some loads that would shoot 1/2 inch groups at 200 yards and all I remember is using W760 and H4350 and pushing 105 grain bullets to right at 2800 fps

    I had the Remington 788 back then about ten years before I had even thought about getting a 7mm08 and it could shoot flies off a target at 100 yards just like my 7mm08 does today

  2. I have said it before but will say it again a .243 win is one of my favorite rounds ever … but my number 1 gun ever is my Rem. 700 6mm.

  3. Kyle, you have all the coolest toy man. I bought one of those Champion rear bags based on your recommendation. They're really nicely made.

  4. Should the .243 be compared to the 6.5PRC rather than the 6.5Creed? The .243 charge ratio is closer to the PRC.
    The .243 is a PRC sibling in 6mm bore.

  5. Great video TSR! I really hope you’re liking the new tube! That camera system looks excellent and I may have to see if I can get my hands on one for a project coming up!

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