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The Nightly Show – Panel – “American Sniper” Debate


>>Larry: WELCOME BACK TO THE
SHOW! JOINING OUR PANEL TONIGHT IS
ROLLING STONE JOURNALIST MATT TAIBBI, FOUNDER AND C.E.O. OF
IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN VETERANS OF AMERICA JOURNALIST PAUL
RIECKHOFF, COMEDIENNE SABRINA JALEES, AND FORMER SPECIAL OPS
SNIPER AND AUTHOR OF “THE REAPER,” NICK IRVING. (CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)
THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. IT’S AMAZING A MOVIE LIKE THIS
WILL MAKE $200 MILLION. WHY DO YOU THINK THAT?>>IT’S A GREAT MOVIE. IT’S COMMUNICATING WHAT WE AS
VETERANS HAVEN’T BEEN ABLE TO COMMUNICATE FOR A DECADE. THERE ARE A LOT OF PIECES TO
PULL APART BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY IT’S POWERFUL. THE VETERANS COMMUNITY IS BEHIND
IT. IT FEELS AUTHENTIC AND REAL AND
IT’S ENTERTAINING. THAT HAS AMERICA TALKING.>>Larry: YOU FEEL IT’S THAT
SIMPLE LEVEL, IT’S JUST THAT WE WANT TO FEEL GOOD ABOUT IRAQ?>>AMERICA IS NOT THAT
INTERESTED IN IRAQ OR VETERANS ISSUES. WE HAD A V.A. SCANDAL AND NOBODY
GAVE A (BLEEP) BUT NOW EVERYONE IS FOCUSED. I’LL TAKE THAT. WE NEED TO FIND CONNECTIONS AND
THIS FILM DOES THAT.>>Larry: IF IT GIVES
ATTENTION TO VETERANS THAT’S GOOD.>>RIGHT.>>Larry: WERE YOUR CRITICISMS
THAT YOU FELT THE MOVIE WAS INACCURATE OR THE PORTRAYAL OF
THE WAR WAS INACCURATE AND IT MADE A LOT OF MONEY?>>LOOK, IT DOESN’T HAVE TO BE A
DOCUMENT RI, BUT, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT THEY LEFT
OUT THE PART THAT WE INVADED THE WRONG COUNTRY. I THINK THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT
PLOT ELEMENT.>>A TINY LITTLE OMISSION? YEAH. LOOK, OBVIOUSLY, IT COMPLETELY
CHANGES THE ENTIRE COMPLEXION OF THE STORY IF YOU LEAVE OUT THE
CONTEXT OF THE MISSION. HAT’S ALL I WAS WANTING TO SAY.
I DIDN’T WANT TO DISPARAGE VETERANS OR THE MILITARY BUT I
FELT LIKE IT LEFT OUT IMPORTANT HISTORICAL DETAIL.>>Larry: I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT
YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT TO ME IT MADE ME FEEL THAT, OKAY,
THAT’S WHAT MADE THAT GUY GO. NICK, DID YOU THINK IT’S HARD
FOR US TO BE ABLE TO RELATE TO VETERANS AND PEOPLE WHO ARE
ACTUALLY IN WAR?>>I DON’T THINK ANYBODY WILL
EVER BE ABLE TO RELATE UNLESS YOU HAVE BEEN THERE AND SEEN
YOUR BEST FRIEND GET SHOT IN THE FACE. I DON’T THINK YOU CAN RELATE TO
THAT. YOU CAN’T PUT THAT ON CAMERA OR
FILM AND I’VE SEEN IT QUITE OFTEN.>>Larry: YOU’RE A SNIPER. MM-HMM.>>Larry: YOU HAVE THE MOST
UNRELATABLE — SNIPER, PRESIDENT, LATE NIGHT TALK SHOW
HOST — (LAUGHTER)
— THOSE ARE THE MOST UNRELATABLE THINGS. WHY DO YOU THINK IT IS SO
UNRELATABLE?>>OUR SKILL SET, OUR JOB IS
HARD TO PUT IN WORDS. WE’RE SENT OUT THERE TO KILL
PEOPLE. THAT’S OUR SOLE PURPOSE IN LIFE.>>Larry: MAN! NO, BUT WHEN YOU SAY THAT —
>>IT’S HEAVY.>>Larry: IT IS HEAVY, RIGHT? I DON’T LOOK AT THE ASPECT
BEHIND IT AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, I’M GOING TO KILL THIS GUY. HE’S NOTHING BUT A TARGET AT
THAT POINT AND IF I CAN PREVENT ONE OF MY FRIENDS FROM DYING,
RIGHT, I’M GOING TO PUT ONE THROUGH YOU.>>Larry: IS IT LOOKING AT HOW
THIS HAS MADE, IN A SENSE?>>Larry: IS IT LOOKING AT HOW
THIS HAS MADE, IN A SENSE? AS A MOVIE GOER, DO YOU NOT CARE
ABOUT BEING ABLE TO RELATE?>>I THOUGHT IT WAS COOL TO SHOW
WHAT IT WAS LIKE TO COME HOME FROM WAR. THE FEMALE LEAD IN IT WAS KIND
OF ONE DIMENSIONAL. IT WAS THE SAME THING OVER AND
OVER AGAIN. LIKE, DON’T GO TO WAR! DON’T GO TO WAR! DON’T GO TO WAR! I’M, LIKE, THIS IS THE BEST
SHOOTER IN THE WORLD! HE’S GOT TO GO TO WAR! SHE’S LIKE A BROKEN RECORD.>>Larry: YEAH, I THOUGHT PHIL
WAS SUPPOSED TO DIRECT THE MOVIE AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN
DIFFERENT.>>BUT IT’S CLINT EASTWOOD FILM,
A BLACK AND WHITE VIEW OF THE WORLD, CHRIS KYLE’S VIEW OF THE
WAR WAS GEORGE BUSH’S AND IT’S NOT MINE AND NOT EVERYONE
ELSE’S –>>YOU LIKE THAT PERSPECTIVE. I LIKE THAT PERSPECTIVE TO BE
TOLD BECAUSE IT’S PART OF THE LARGER STORY. IF IT GETS MILLIONS OF PEOPLE TO
UNDERSTAND WHAT WE’VE GONE THROUGH, WE’LL TAKE IT.>>Larry: NICK, HOW MUCH OF AN
ISSUE — GO AHEAD IF YOU WANT TO CLAP. (APPLAUSE)
>>THANK YOU.>>Larry: HOW MUCH OF AN ISSUE
IS THE PTSD PART OF IT?>>I THINK IT’S A BIG ISSUE. MY LAST DEPLOYMENT, IN FOUR
MONTHS, I KILLED 33 GUYS AS A SNIPER.>>Larry: 33. YEAH. THE BODIES DIDN’T MATTER, I’M
NOT –>>Larry: YOU’RE NOT ASSESSING
ANY THREATS NOW?>>NO, I’M A NICE GUY. (LAUGHTER)
I DON’T HAVE ANY REGRETS ABOUT KILLING ANYONE. I REGRET NOT BEING ABLE TO SAVE
THE GUY WHO SAVED MY LIFE.>>Larry: THAT’S WHAT THEY SAY
IN THE MOVIE.>>BENJAMIN WAS 21 YEARS OLD,
SAVED MY LIFE AND I WATCHED HIM TAKE ONE FIVE MINUTES LATER.>>Larry: DO YOU HAVE TO
COMPARTMENTALIZE THAT? I WAS TAKEN BY HOW IF YOU DON’T
COMPARTMENTALIZE THAT YOU WILL BE (BLEEP) ON A MUCH FASTER
ROAD. BECAUSE PART OF YOU HAS TO BE
MESSED UP ANYWAY — NOT SAYING YOU’RE MISSED UP — BUT YOU HAVE
TO BE KIND OF A DICK.>>NO, NO, WHEN I GOT OUT, THE
PTSD THING WAS REAL AND WAS THERE. I WOULD WAKE UP AT 6:00 A.M. AND
DRINK TILL 4:00 P.M. I DON’T REMEMBER DRINKING WATER
FOR TWO YEARS, JUST ALCOHOL, TO TRY TO FORGET.>>Larry: MATT, DO YOU THINK
THESE MOVIES MAKES IT HARDER OR EASIER TO KNOW WHAT THEY’RE
GOING THROUGH?>>IT HELPS. THE MOVIE CERTAINLY SHOWED HE
HAD A STRUGGLE. IT WASN’T AS OVERT AS YOU WOULD
HAVE THOUGHT, BUT I THINK IT DID DEFINITELY ADDRESS SOME OF THAT
IN THE MOVIE.>>THE COMING HOME PART IS VERY
POWERFUL. I HAD A LOT OF CIVILIANS SAY TO
ME, NOW I CAN START TOWNS WHAT YOU WENT THROUGH. NOBODY EVER ASKS US HOW MANY
PEOPLE WE SAVED. IT’S NOT THE COMPLETE STORY,
BUTS A VERY COMPLEX THING THAT HOLLYWOOD WILL NEVER
ENCAPSULATE. BUT WE’RE HERE ON A COMEDY SHOW
TALKING ABOUT THE WAR AGAIN AND VETERANS ISSUES AND WE HOPE THAT
DISCUSSION WILL CONTINUE.>>Larry: DO YOU THINK A
DIFFERENT WAR WOULD HAVE MADE A LOT OF DIFFERENCE? PEOPLE HAVE PARTICULAR ISSUES
ABOUT THIS WAR. IT’S HARD FOR US TO
COMPARTMENTALIZE SOMETIMES. DO YOU THINK THAT’S A BIG
PROBLEM?>>MAYBE. I THINK THE REASON WHY WE WENT
TO IRAQ, I DIDN’T CARE, I SIGNED UP IN 2004.>>Larry: WHY DID YOU SIGN UP? I SAW THE TWIN TOWERS FALL
AND A FEW LAIRTS I WAS IN AFGHANISTAN, SO I DEPLOYED
MULTIPLE TIMES TO EACH, THREE TIMES TO IRAQ, TWO TIMES TO
AFGHANISTAN, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. (APPLAUSE)
>>Larry: WELL, DO YOU WANT TO SAY ONE LAST THING?>>YEAH, NOW THAT THEY’RE
ALAPPLAUDING, I JUST WANTED TO ALSO ADD — NO. (LAUGHTER)
I THINK YOU GUYS DO AN AMAZING JOB. MY FATHER IS PAKISTANI, AND I
GREW UP WITH HIM IN CANADA LOOKING AT THE TV GOING, OH,
THESE, (BLEEP). AND MY FATHER IN LAW SERVED OVER
TWO DECADES. IN GETTING TO KNOW HIM, IT’S NOT
A CARICATURE, THE GUN SLINGERS VERSUS THE OTHER PEOPLE. THE MOVIE WAS A LITTLE BIT LIKE
DUCK HUNT BUT INSTEAD OF DUCKS, IT WAS IRAQIS. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?>>YEAH. I’M SURE, BEING IN THE WAR,
YOU GUYS MUST HAVE MET TONS OF PEOPLE THAT WERE NICE THAT
WANTED PEACE.>>BUT YOU SHOULDN’T GET YOUR
FULL PERSPECTIVE ON IRAQ IN A TWO-HOUR MOVIE. READ A BOOK. COME HANG OUT WITH US. WE’RE NOT THAT BAD.>>IF YOU’RE DRINKING AT
6:00 A.M., I WILL HANG OUT WITH YOU.>>EXACTLY. EXACTLY. (APPLAUSE)
>>Larry: WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO AGREE IN THIS MOVIE BUT WE
CAN ALL AGREE DRINKING AT 6:00 A.M. ISN’T ALWAYS A BAD
THING. OKAY?

100 thoughts on “The Nightly Show – Panel – “American Sniper” Debate

  1. God you could cut the tension with a knife. The rolling stone reporter looked nervous as shit, and I know Sabrina was supposed to be comic relief but she really shouldn't have been there. Also glad to see such thoughtfulness and compassion in the comments section.

  2. everyone please go and watch the whole show, there is a part when he ask the sniper if they were one sniper when JFK was shot. the sniper sitting at the table said no more than ONE. HMMMM

  3. OK, we tell you our perspective, u can go to Iraq and ask them for their perspective,,, the guy said i went to iraq because i saw 9/11?? even though Iraq had nothing to do with it?? why didnt they attack Sweden or South Africa?? and he got a round of applause for killing 34 ppl while invading the wrong country….

  4. The problem is that it is not Rambo, they used a questionable real character to make a fictional movie.
    Rambo killing 10 Iraqi a minute may be understood as fictional even by the dumbest teenager.

  5. Whose idea was it to invite the walking Portlandia stereotype? They need to be fired from the show. She clearly doesn't even give a fuck about the movie and the debate around it.

  6. This was a good discussion I thought this would be very opinionated but it came off very balanced. I might start watching this show

  7. "how many people we saved" You were fucking saving other soldiers that wouldn't be in danger if they weren't fucking there! Fuck! Even death is part of the job description of being a fucking soldier! 
    Am sure they struggled and lived through hell but the idea that it was not necessary. And these types of movies always ignore the fact that the fucking people that live in iraq and afghanistan were terrorized and practically raped as a country, but who gives a shit as long as badass sniper here saved his buddy. 

  8. The sniper says, 'the reasons why we went to Iraq – I don't – I didn't really care about that'.  He then also notes that he went to Iraq 3 times and Afghanistan 2 times.  People start clapping.

    And yet, I'm thinking – should people be applauded for going to war without a care in the world as to the reasons behind it and/or if the war was just to begin with?

    The currently ongoing obsession with admiring the 'troops', regardless of what they do and why do it, is disconcerting to say the least. 

    I can't help but feel like a similar interview could have been conducted in Jordan with Al-qaeda soldiers or in Iraq with ISIS soldiers and the local audiences would clap in the similar fashion without asking the big questions, as in – should the troops that are openly stating that they have little care for why there is a war to begin with – and if the war is just – be applauded and supported? 

    This unwavering support for the troops is akin to an unwavering support for war.  Are there people out there that actually care about peace?  Or are they too afraid of speaking out, because the backlash in the current 'support the troops or be labeled a terrorist sympathizer' environment is turning them into actual supporters of war? 

    It's utterly surreal – and it does not bode well for the future of our society. 

  9. The movie left out the fact we invaded the wrong country…lol…was it about WMD or liberating the poor Iraqis ? Neither obviously…these wars are about rich people getting richer, and they are not afraid to risk the lives of others to do it.

  10. "Duck hunt but with Iraqis." BINGO. That's the problem with the film. There are Steven Seagal movies with longer reaction shots of people getting killed. It was so aggressively one-sided and uninterested in anyone else.

  11. I have nothing against our veterans who were misled to believe 9/11 and Iraq were connected by our government. 

  12. YOU SHOULD HAVE ALL DIED ! YOU KILLED 3 MILLIONS OF CIVILIANS !YOU INVADED A NATION THAT HAD  DONE NOTHING TO YOU ! YOU WORK FOR BANKS YOU ARE NOT SOLDIERS BUT MERCENARIES ! NO MOVIE ABOUT PAT TILLMANN  THE HERO ONLY THE  FUCKING PSYCOPATH ! FUCK YOU AMERIKA ! BITCH YOU WILL FALL AND IT SHALL BE DONE ONTO YOU WHAT YOU DID ONTO OTHERS ! AND YOU PROBABLY SAY YOU ARE GOD FEARING THAN FUCK YOUR GOD  SATAN !

  13. Larry Wilmore Is So Not Funny. This Show Is Lame. Larry Wilmore Is So One Sided. What An Ignorant Man. What A Drab Show. I'm Fairly Sure There Isn't A Physical Audience. Just Background Tracks Of People's Applause.

  14. A: There seems to be some credit in the complaint "The guy portrayed in the movie isn't the guy from the book, who was bragging about things like supposedly killing 30 american civilians. People can't tell if he was just bragging or trying to make more drama in his book for sales. The two images of the psycho and the nice guy just don't fit." B: The movie did seem like propaganda. C: There is a silver lining to the cloud if it does help bring light to the needs of veterans who's basic medical assistance requirments aren't being met, such as treatment for PTSD. D: Making apologistic propaganda for the debacle of the iraqi war that uses the plight of soliders suffering just turns these people into victims of politicans manipulations a second time.

    People keep ignoring the fact that the diverse taliban groups/units were our allies and some of the talibans chiefs and generals still are. Bin Laden was taken out by special forces, and if we hadn't invaded, and just used intel and resources from within the taliban, we probably could have kept him in the camps they were using at the time and just taken him out or even captured him using our elite troops without a full scale war. Much sooner. Both wars were fraught with considerable flaws and errors, and both sides paid huge costs in human suffering. Although our civilian's paid through suffering due to the hardship of the suffering of friends and family in the military, others in those nations suffered directly from weapon fire, crime, economic hadship, disease, and civil war.

    It should always be remembered, two people facing each other in combat can't have any remorse about pulling the trigger to save their own lives or the lives of the man next to them. But anyone who failed to stop these conflicts, or needlessly encourages conflict even after how obvious it is the conflict is wrong, is just as guilty as anyone pulling the trigger on another human being for the wrong reason. There were american soldiers, reservists, who refused the call to come in and assemble to fight in iraq. I do not blame these people, and I find their arguments and reasoning just. There were soldiers that came back and got out of the military and have spoken out against the war. I commend them. I do question the reasoning and logic of anyone who mindlessly like a drone, or compulsively, like a moth seeking the flame, goes back into these conflicts over and over as if to say that what they have suffered is justifiable or that they do not care about the destruction of human life because they enjoy war. This is not justifiable in the least. Neither is demonizing people of other races or nations as a means of making mass civilian casualties acceptable.

  15. Why do you need any reason more than you are a soldier, they are the enemy, if you don't kill them, they will kill you. Soldiers should not have to justify their duty to defend and kill. If you have problems with who they are killing, take it up with their boss, because he is the one who put them in the enemy's crosshairs.

    People who call soldiers psychopathic killers disgust me. All of humanity's existence has been a struggle to exist through killing and dying. Those of you fortunate enough to not be subject to that reality thanks to the brave few who go in your stead don't deserve anything less than your respect. Save your condescension for the politicians who send them. Your luxuries are dependent on those who will kill so you don't have to kill or die. You are just a baby spitting your mother's breast milk at her because you don't like the way she produced the milk.

  16. War is crazy. I mean if you are killing ISIS fighters it would be differrent. Those people chose to be evil and dont deserve anything positive.

  17. How the hell did this get turned in to a debate about veterans issues?
    Yea veterans do have issue and are not looked after like they should be. Although becoming a soldier and going in to war without being educated about the reasons is fucking stupid.
    We should probably make some films about how stupid people are for joining the army.

    I mean how do these veterans not know about how Vietnam veterans ended up after those unpopular wars. They join the army, do dumb shit they're ordered to do without question for a pay check. They don't even care that most of the people in their nation don't want them to be be in these wars.
    This doesn't mean we shouldn't look after them better when they come back all fucked up. I'm just saying people should at least have a basic understanding of global economics and politics before joining the fucking army and blindly following orders.

    Anyway this should have been a debate about the film "American Sniper"
    Veterans issues are a separate matter.

  18. Totally believe what the guy was going through. Just don't dress it up like you're some noble human being who deserves my respect. Love the way he flaunts his "33 targets"….sooo you should be proud? My grandfather killed a shit load of nazis and told me that he wasn't proud to kill but did what he had to do. I never got a number or any feeling of pride coming from his years as an army major, but more of a feeling of regret that the world was the way it was. But writing a fucking book and calling it "Reaper" is deplorable. The tagline of "3rd Battalion's Deadliest Sniper". Why don't you cut off their heads and mount them on your wall? Puppet.

  19. Seriously?  A 9-minute talk about 'American Sniper' and you don't even bring up the actual controversy except at the very end and it was quickly brushed off.  I'm sure it sucks to have your best friend killed, imagine how it feels to lose your whole country.

  20. "Everybody always asks us how many people we've killed. Nobody ever asks us how many people we've saved."

    That's because you don't save people and everyone knows this, so there's no point in asking it.

  21. Interesting that the guest says to not get your full perspective about Iraq from a 2-hour movie. Ah, where did the full perspective come from to sign up to kill people? Maybe if we had more perspective, people would not have gone. We are a country full of gullible people who live in fear. Don't know the difference between the Taliban and al-al-Qaeda

  22. I just want to say as an American who is against the Iraq war and the over militarization of my country, the people criticizing this panel discussion to me are coming across as self-righteous jerks. It's one thing to say we wasted all of our time in Iraq, it's another to say it to someone who fought in a war and is in the grips of PTSD in a panel discussion about a movie. If they're not banging away on the futility of the conflict on this panel, it's not because we're afraid to criticize that war, in fact, that has become (FINALLY) the main stream opinion of the US. It's that the people on this panel have a heart. The critic on the panel said he thought the war was unjustified, he's not going to call the sniper an idiot for going to the wrong country, because he has a fucking heart.

  23. We had an LT like Paul Reockhoff in my platoon duringy first tour. He got killed during a firefight. Word had it, he was shot in the back.

  24. Is it just me or does Matt Taibbi have a punchable face? I mean his stupid grinn just screams shit eater.

  25. I just worry that we create a mythology as a culture that may comfort us, but blinds us to the grievances of the rest of the world.  I mean, almost all of the people who orchestrated 9/11 were Saudis, and Osama bin Laden had absolutely nothing to do with it… but we can't go to war with Saudi Arabia because we buy most of our cheap oil from them — so we went to war with the country next door instead & found a convenient violent extremist to hunt.  But we tell ourselves it's justified and Iraq/Afghanistan had something to do with 9/11 & Iraq had WMDs to make ourselves seem more heroic, when really we were just reactionary & blood-thirsty…

    And it isn't the troops fault (mostly), but it seems like we continue to perpetrate that delusion, rather than face the truth as some twisted sort of sign of respect to them.

    To me, respect is saying no: We fucked up really bad, we sent you to kill and die in countries you didn't need to, we destabilized an entire region of the world for who knows how long, & we ripped apart countless lives because we were thinking with our emotions instead of our heads.  For that, we may never be able to make amends, but we are truly sorry.

  26. I think it was popular because americans are so in love with guns and that macho culture they have no concept of empathy for other people in these other cultures…like the guy on this panel he didn't care he just liked the killing itself

  27. I think the reason The Nightly Show is not as popular as Last Week Tonight is because the former is too neutral and uncritical.
    Sure, Wilmore talks about racial divide and other issues, but always at a superficial level.
    By contrast, and in an incredibly short amount of time, both Stewart and Oliver manage to make you think about the underlying problems with society rather than point at the negative aspect of the consequences of these problems.

  28. Speaking with my Uncle who was a medic in Vietnam and went on to work for the Vet center in my hometown and help people with PTSD for many years, I still will speak up against this movie. He was not suppose to come home and brag about such happenings. He signed a form stating he would not. My Uncle won't even speak of the things he did, because he has integrity. Fuck Kyle. Conservative war mongers do not own the military or veterans. There are liberals, Obama supporters, gay people, non Christians, and humble people in the military also.

  29. Most interesting is what this has done to the young man at the end of the panel, who killed 30+ people in 4 months. It's obvious he has very little value for human life. Why don't we count him as a casualty? He's damaged, probably, beyond repair.

  30. i think that the more aspects of the movie that turn out to be untrue, or edited to push a political agenda, the harder it is to understand what the soldiers went through. if the goal is to show the world what soldiers go through, a semi-fictitious action movie that pushes an incredibly conservative us-verse-them agenda is not the right way to do it. If it's to portray Kyle as real as possible, it's not the way to do it.

  31. Yes, the US invaded the wrong country, yes it was because they're drunk on money and oil, and yes, a lot of innocent Iraqis and Afghans died. It was a screwed up situation and it was the US' fault. But that doesn't mean that the soldiers enjoy taking lives, they enjoy destroying not just lives but livelihoods and cultures. If calling them "targets" instead of people is his way of coping then let him, because war is horrible, no matter what side you're on. Everyone recognizes that the Nazis were patriotic German soldiers who were misled by those in power, and we need to recognize that happening here. Soldiers who love their country are being told to invade innocent countries and kill innocent people to defend it, and they are listening. There's no black and white here, everyone screwed up a little bit (Except Bush, he screwed up a lot), and prolonging this debate isn't helping anyone. Get the vets their help, get the Iraqis and Afghans their help, and either acknowledge that terrorism is and always will be an inevitable part of life in the 21st century, or invade the right country and actually fix the problem.

  32. My problem with this movie is that, as the one guy said, this was the black and white view of the war as Chris Kyle saw it, which was the point of the film. The point was to reinforce that view, to humanize our soldiers while demonizing Iraqis and ignoring their reasons for fighting, regardless of whether those reasons are right or wrong. Don't get me wrong, I don't want a left-wing propaganda piece about a soldier who decides that he and his comrades are evil and comes home to become an anti-war advocate; I would have liked a movie that showed a Chris Kyle-type who saw the war as back-and-white, defending America and go get the bad guys, as well as another soldier who saw the shades of grey, without endorsing either of their opinions, and simply showing the raw reality and the toll that the war took on them both over time.

  33. we only hear from the grunts. We don't realize our soldiers are government issue weapons, they don't have a valid option of their orders when they get them. its a fucking job, they're taking care of their families so you put a target in front of them, they'll pull the trigger, instilled with the idea they are saving their own families from being targets, which these days is the furthest from the truth. What I would like to know is would our men and women make that same decision if it was a brother, sister or close friend on the other end of those sights, instead of a "foreigner" or "terrorist". would they follow that order for that paycheck? imagine brothers killing each other in the civil war, were thinking of the political repercussions, or freeing men and women from oppression, defending their nation, or just taking home a check?

  34. Crazy society that stands proud besides a guy who openly says he has killed in the last 4 months 33 persons and he has no regret , I canot get my head arround these , you have a country with at least a third of his population at poverty , a debt level unsustainable , institutional open racism , one of the worst levels of education , United states of america since his conception only have been in peace less then 30 years.

  35. you have to be a special kind of psychopath to so easly be able to take the life of another human being for a paycheck and becuase a bunch of guys in an office said so, the very same guys that would not ever be seen on the front line. I wonder how many kids he murdered, I wonder how many mothers and fathers he slaughtered, its worrying that he can just turn off remorse.

  36. I wish people would stop dividing the world, especially in war, into heros and villains. It's not that simple. Stop idealizing war in Hollywood. It's not something to sensationalize. It's killing. Sometimes to protect, sometimes for revenge, although the prior should be the only reason. It's not fun, it's serious. It's not us vs them. It's people vs people, and should be avoided at all costs. To many people have suffered and died. People don't have to understand how it feels to be in war to care. We should care anyway because the are humans.

  37. AS A MARKSMAN/ASSASSIN FROM ANOTHER ERA AND LONG LONG RETIRED i CAN TELL YOU EVERY TARGET IS BURNED INTO MY MEMORY AND HAS TAKEN A TERRIBLE TOLL ON MY HEALTH.BUT I DO NOT REGRET I WAS DOING MY JOB TO PROTECT OTHERS

  38. The least we can do for active duty Veterans is to give them a tax free standing. They shouldn't have to pay any income taxes, property taxes, school taxes, not even a sales tax! We give these same tax free credits to Churches and other organizations and corporations… Why not give it to Veterans?????

  39. so no one thought to include an iraqi or even an arab in the movie?? or how about the disgusting racist shit kyle said in his book about iraqis??!!!

  40. What the fuck is wrong with our country man? Don't get me wrong 100% of the time I am against going to war but since when did we hate on our soldiers? What the fuck is wrong with you? Hate on the people that sent those kids there not the kids themselves…. smh

  41. It's so obvious the journalist is tip toeing around the issue and is holding back. I don't blame him because he doesn't want to lose is job but no body wants to criticize the military because they'll be called unamerican and much more. Moreover this movie is down right a propaganda by ignoring key facts like the journalist said. Iraq wasn't responsible for 9/11 but suddenly soldiers r there and killing people there. How is that justified? Like the black vet who said the reason he joined was because of it but of course they don't mention whether the people he killed were from Iraq or Saudi Arabia whose people caused 9/11. Funny how he and the other guy see killing the other combatants as defending their boys but isn't the same thing for the people of Iraq? I don't get the idea of killing guys I don't know from orders from another guy I don't know.

  42. Larry got upset when a Black person wasn't on Bill O Reilly's debate; why wasn't he upset no Iraqis were on this debate?

  43. It is not about how many people we killed but how many people we saved … You didn't save anybody you only killed people who were defending their country from invaders

  44. What about Japan 2016 where families of raped and killed girls and women are coming forward everyday against American soldiers??? "So much honour!" 😀

  45. too bad they didn't dive into the numerous exaggerations and flat out lies in the movie, or the fact that kyle has been thoroughly discredited based on the lies that he's told…..

  46. THAT SIMPLE LEVEL IS WHERE HE LOST ME KINDA LIKE THAT COLLEGE GRADUATE THAT HAD A BAD PLAN THAT OTHERS HAD TO AMEND . VETS SPEAK THE FUCK UP IF U AINT WORKING

  47. And that is why he's the deadliest sniper in the world we all know about Chris the other sniper 160 kills in his whole Enlistment Nick got 30 in 4 months I think that's like two people week

  48. I got to say this tall you stupid people when you enlist in the army you you do and go where they tell you to you don't have a choice do you want to f**** understand that

  49. The black guy talking about how human lives are just targets and he didn't care about the bodies is so disgusting. And that he didn't care about the reason for invading Iraq but he just wanted revenge. This man is going straight to hell.

  50. “ Our job, our skill set-it’s hard to put into words.”
    “ We’re sent out there to kill people.”
    He did it. In under ten, too!

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