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Shotguns for Home Protection – FN, 916A, The Judge and more… | Episode #32


Talking about shotguns as a tool for stopping
bad guys. Everybody that’s every owned a shotgun or
talked to someone that has a shotgun has probably heard, you just point this sucker down the
hall and let a rip… and any bad guys are going to be laid out flat. I’ll tell you what, that’s not entirely
true. We’ve got some targets setup today and we
are going to test an array of shotguns. Shotguns we see in many homes across the country. Very available, common shotguns. We are going to go from a very tactical, purpose
built tool like this, to the kind of tool an average homeowner would have for hunting
and utilitarian purposes. We are going to test it with buck shot at
two distances, five yards and ten yards. These are distances you would see inside of
a home. Anything closer, we know that shot pattern
is going to get tighter and tighter. The purpose here is we want to make sure you
understand you actually need to aim this tool in that type of a scenario. It’s not just a point it, and blast away… We are going to get right to it. We’ve got five different guns, and actually
a revolver that shoots .410. We are going to see what that looks like. Let’s get to it. So we’ve got a very common, double odd buck
shot. That’s nine pellets. Each pellet weighs about fifty grains. So sometimes I’ve heard people say this
is like shooting nine, 9mm rounds. No, it’s not at all. Fifty three grains, each projectile. We are going to start out… The Mossberg pump. A very common pump shotgun. We are going to put two rounds into the target. One at ten yards, one at five yards. And we will then measure them, document it
and move on to the next shotgun. This has what’s called a cylinder bore. A cylinder bore basically means there’s
no choke at all. It’s basically un-restricted. So I’m going to guess this is going to be
one of the widest patterns of the guns that we test. So let’s load up our two rounds. We are going to get that done. We are at ten yards. From here we are going to shoot the body area. Stand by… guns on safe. Let’s walk down. I like that. That large hole on the left, that is the wadding. The wadding is part of the shotgun construction. So now we are going to shoot up towards the
head, five yards, same double-odd buckshot round. Here we go. Ready? Guns empty. I’m going to get my tape measure. Alright. So let’s take a look at that. At thirty feet. Let’s county this out. We know we had nine pellets. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight,
nine. That’s really nice. Widest spread there… is about six and a
half inches… Is the widest spread at thirty feet. Now we look at our headshot. We know all of those rounds were in there. Looks like we are about three inches, the
widest spread. This is with the cylinder bore. Cylinder bore. These would both be devastating impacts at
this distance. We are going to go on to the next shotgun. So we’ve got another pump. This is a very famous gun used in law enforcement. This is the 916A. 916 Alpha. This is another cylinder bore. That means there’s no choke in this. One thing people need to keep in mind when
shooting a pump, there’s no gas system or recoil system absorbing any of that energy,
so I grew-up shooting an 870… and ah, which is a pump. Very popular, great platform. And you are absorbing all of that impact. For what this gun is made for, it’s an excellent,
excellent tool. We are going to do the same thing again. I’ll load up two. Two rounds of that double-odd buck. Nine pellets in there… We are doing our ten yard shot first. OK, here we go. Very good. We’ll walk on down to the five yard line. Alright, here we go. Shoot the head now. Guns empty. Let me grab that tape measure. Whew! Four rounds of that double-odd buck is already
starting to smart the shoulders. Alright, let’s take a look here again. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight,
oh nine. Two of them impacted almost on top of each
other. Widest spread, about seven inches again. So these are very similar platforms. We definitely have devastating hits here. What I want you two notice. Just that slight bit of difference… 15 feet
and we doubled the shot pattern. We doubled it. I’m thinking now as we are filming this,
we probably should, for the heck of it, take one of these guns and run it to the back of
the range before we are finished today. So we can see how these things open up. Alright, on to the next gun. We’ve got a beautiful, beautiful… this
is a water fowl gun. The Franchi. Often mispronounced FRAN-CHI. Franchi is now owned by Benelli. This is a inertia driven shotgun. This one has a modified choke. We are going to put up a description of how
each of these chokes works. Different chokes work. Come on down range here Drew. We are going to load up two rounds of our
double-odd buck. And we will again run this test. First round is going to go into the chest
cavity at ten yards. Here we go. There’s one. Let’s go down to five. So you’re going to immediate notice a big
difference here with this longer barrel, and the tighter choke pattern. Here we go on the headshot. Gun’s empty. I’m going to set it down. While I’m at it, I may as well get our next
target. So… We’ll take a look at this. You’re going to start to see now. The purpose of the shotgun, and those choke
tubes really start to affect the shot pattern. So we definitely have all nine pellets in
there. We’ve got a slightly tighter spread now. We’re down to four and a half inches. We shaved off two and a half inches at that
distance. Headshot. Still totally devastating. This hole is from the wad. That’s not the actual shotgun shell. We’ve now shrunk down to about two inches,
at five yards. With the longer barrel and tighter choke. Get the next one up. This here is the FN. This gun is built for fighting. So now we’re on to one of my favorite shotguns,
especially for this purpose, the FN. The FN SLP. Extended magazine tube. This thing is made for fighting. So we’ve got our couple rounds of buck in
there. We are going to do our ten and five. Ready? Beautiful. Guns on safe. Let’s head down to five. Alright, we are going to make that headshot. Here we go. Safety would be good. Whew-Hoo! Guns empty. I’m going to set her down. So let’s check that out. This gun is basically built for slugs and
buck shot. It’s meant for exactly what we are using. Look at the devastating hit at five yards. Same thing, ten yards, thirty feet… we’ve
still got a nice pattern here. We are about five and a half, six inches. Again, the big hole, when you see that it’s
from the wadding, not the shot itself. All nine pellets are nice and tight. That’s at thirty feet. And remember, in a minute we are going to
put another target up and we are going to walk back out to the backside of the range. And try a few shots so you can see what’s
happening. Get the next one up here. We are going to run the twenty gauge now. I bought this for my son years ago. Now he’s too big boy and doesn’t need
it anymore. Gotta grab some ammo. So, I didn’t have any twenty gauge buckshot,
so we are going to be shooting some heavy lead bird shot. This is what you would use for pheasant hunting. A number four shot. The gun here. This is a basic Mossberg 500. This is the Hue Model so it’s a little shorter. I actually enjoy this gun with a rifled barrel
on it. For deer hunting. It’s a great accurate gun. It’s handy. It’s not something I would want to be shooting
all day long, shooting clays or out dove hunting, but really handy in a blind or hiking, moving
around hunting. Let’s see what this thing does. Alright, here we go. Gun’s on safe. Let’s head down. So this is going to be interesting, people
say I’m just going to whack them with bird shot in my house. You’re going to see the problem with that. Here we go. Alright, check that out. So, bird shot. What effectiveness do you think those tiny
pellets are going to have impacting major organs at that distance? None. You’ve be lucky, at that distance, to get
that through heavy clothing. A lot of what ripped this hole here was not
the blunt force of the impact. It was just so many pellets hitting in a tight
area that they perforated the paper. As well as the wadding. So take note of that when you’re talking
about using bird shot to protect your house. There is a very good reason that you’re
not out hunting big game with bird shot. Take a look. Swap it up. We’ve got one more. Alright, so this is a purpose built .410 revolver. I’m not in love with them, but people do
carry them and I want you to see what they do. So this is a Ultimate Home Defense Buck, this
one is made by Remington. These are triple odd. Why not double? Because the diameter of that larger… larger
double-odd buck won’t fit in the barrel the way that they stack them. So we’ll see how this works. Alright, here we go, get one into the body. Whew-Hoo! Alright. We’ll walk on down. That’s a trip. Can you see that? Looks like we’ve got three impact points
at this distance. I’ve gotta count and see how many pellets
are in one of these. Alright, now we are going to make that headshot. Ready? Alright, guns empty and safe. I’m going to drop it down here and we’ll
go down and take a look. So… I see one, two, three…. I think one of those is a wad, actually. We’ve got four impact points and there’s
the wadding from the top one. So we are missing some pellets here at thirty
feet. You can I was holding on the center here based
on that spread. I have no idea where those pellets even went. Here’s that head shot from five yards. And we did keep those altogether. This is the problem with that platform. You are basically pointing and hoping. I held good. I fired it in single action mode. I had a good trigger press. You can see by the thirty foot, the ten yard
shot you have very wide dispersion. This thing is only going to be used up close
and personal. Not a tool I’d recommend, what-so-ever. What-so-ever. I wanted you guys to see that, and now you
have. So what I’d like to do now is, I’ll put
a fresh piece up. And we are going to load one of the cylinder
bore guns and the one we got the tightest group out of, the Franchi, all the way to
the back side of the range and try this again. Franchi, excuse me. How many of those are in there. Five pellets I believe. I don’t know how we were missing those. How about we start out with the cylinder bore. We’ll start out with the cylinder bore at
all the way back. I kinda dig this guy, the Smith and Wesson. It’s a fun little gun. Grab a couple more rounds of buckshot. Got two here. Why don’t you guys come with us. So now we are at fifth teen yards. Fifth teen yards here. So we are going to try two again. I going to center chest, and then head and
see what type of spread we get now. This is a high-quality buck shot. The cylinder bore shotgun. A shotgun that was carried by law enforcement
for decades. The Smith and Wesson 916A. And we’ll just see what kind of patterning
we get. Ready? Alright. Before I send another one down there. What I want you guys to see … so we are
talking some serious width now. We are at forty-five feet. We added five more yards. And now our group opened up to a foot. Ok? I held on there. I think this is a good shot pattern. This is what you’re going to expect. But now what if I had to take a headshot from
that distance. Is this the tool for that job? This is what I want you guys thinking about. I think we’ve got a good effect here. But to be totally honest, we clipped the heart,
we clipped the lung, couple rounds through the lung. We hit the spine. I have no control over where these hit. One could have hit here. One could have hit here. One could have hit here. I can’t control that. So that’s the one big problem. This dispersal of rounds. I think that showed what we’re going to
see out of the cylinder bore. We’ll switch over to the modified, We’ll
try that. Alright. Now we’ll try the one that gave us the tightest
pattern. Tightest pattern from fifth teen yards. You ready Drew? Do the same thing. Modified choke in the Franchi. Double-odd buck. Alright, the guns cleared out. Why don’t you guys come with? Set this gun down. That’s actually pretty interesting, what
I’m looking at here. So, not much tighter. Nine and a half vs. the twelve inches. I don’t see as much of the side-to-side
splaying. That could have just been that individual
shot. You’d have to shoot a bunch of these to
really get a good idea. Every shotgun shell, ever manufacturer makes
different products, so you’ve got to group the stuff you’re going to shoot in your
gun. This stuff we buy by the case. I think this is very indicative though, of
most shotguns. This is the stuff I wanted you to see. At that kind of a distance, you’re not making
headshots. You’re making area shots. You’re shooting into a large area. That shotgun, definitely better quality than
the 916A, longer barrel, tighter choke, You can see it gave us a better effect. Look at that, spine, spine, heart, lung, lung,
lung… devastating, but you have to remember, and you’ve got to keep in mind that don’t
have the ability to have pinpoint accuracy. You’re shooting at this distance in dinner
plate size areas. Is this an end all, be all discussion on shotguns
as fighting tools and shot patterning? Definitely not. What we are trying to do is give you an overview
so that you understand that these are not and end all, be all weapon that is a magic
wand you just point in the general direction of a bad guy and it stops them. You need to intentionally aim this fire-arm. This is the kind of… This is the kind of a thing that is so misconceived
especially because folks don’t like shooting shotguns. Go get a couple cases of buckshot, and shoot
them. You’re going to understand why people don’t
shoot them. That good body position. Gun tight into your body in a good forward
bias, is going to help you absorb that recoil, but in these pumps you’re soaking all of
it up. There is no mechanical system absorbing recoil
like in a semi-auto. Know and understand the way your gun patterns. If you own one of these, you keep one at the
house as a weapon, go get some buck shot and practice with it. Understand what the gun is going to do, understand
its limitations. At distance, like across a big room, we are
shooting at an area the size of a dinner plate. That’s how big that shot is spreading out. You are accountable for every projectile that
leaves a gun that’s in your hands. You’re accountable for it. So if there’s nine pellets coming out of
the gun, and four or five of them fly right on past the target through the window and
into your neighbor’s house, that’s on you. Know and understand the limits of effective
distances that you can engage with one of these. This is Mickey with Carry Trainer dot com. Knowledge is not power until applied. Get after it. Do some testing. Do some shooting. Learn something about the weapon you keep
in your closet or under your bed. Be well. You don’t want to stand there bro. Hahaha
OK, here we go. Going to shoot right at the head. [BLEEP] up. Fifth teen yards with the… Franchi, modified choke, double-odd buck. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight,
nine pellets. The thing we need to keep in mind is, you
guys watched me do it on video… I took slow careful aim, to place the barrel
right where it needed to be. At that forty-five yard, or forty-five feet
mark. 15 yards. You are still dealing with large areas. You don’t have the ability to hone in. Unless you have the exact same gun. And the exact same… um… [BLEEP]. This is exactly why we tell you not to use
bird shot. You think this would penetrate a heavy coat
at that distance? This is ten yards. Five yards. A lot of this perforation is coming from the
wadding and tearing of the paper. You are not going to get down to the bits
that you need to with that light bird shot. To cause any major injury. So, we are going to wrap-up on this… and…
blah blah blah. Blah blah blah. So check it out. There was five pellets. Ten yards. I got one, two, three holes and I believe
this one to be the wad. So I actually only have two holes. Two pellets may have entered one hole. That’s at thirty feet. That’s like the distance of a nice size
living room. Or a hall way. Where did the other ones go? Here’s the headshot. One, two, three, four, five and the wadding. So one of them completely missed the head. And that was at fifth teen feet. And I held on that pretty tight. This tool is very very ineffective unless
you are up close. And how do you know where you’re going to
have to engage? That forty-five Long Colt sucks in the Judge
dude. Try it. Have you shot them? The problem is, I’m going to show you real
quick. That forty-five long colt has to jump from
here all the way across that open space to make it to the forcing cone, to actually do
anything. They group like this. They group like this for a pistol caliber
round. This is like a mini-van. You know. It’s not a work van. It’s not a race car. It’s not good at anything other than ah…
losing friends. Just kidding, I’ve owned lots of mini-vans. It’s a vehicle that’s made to do a lot
of things pretty good, but doesn’t do anything great. And that’s this things problem. It’s not a shotgun. It’s not really a very great pistol. If you’re going to shoot forty-five long
colt, go buy a gun that actually shoots forty-five long colt and you can have a really good degree
of accuracy. If you own one, don’t get sore. You bought something that’s a piece of shit. Hahaha… That was funny. Alright, we are going to go back to work. Bird shot at short distance. I don’t like it. Ah, why, we don’t hunt with bird shot at
short distance. It’s just not worth it. Use a projectile that can stop men. Alright, I got to get back to work. Drew’s staring at me pissed.

21 thoughts on “Shotguns for Home Protection – FN, 916A, The Judge and more… | Episode #32

  1. Mickey, do you have your own range where you filmed this? Why do you shoot long guns lefty and hand gun right? As an avid shotgunner I really enjoyed this video.keep up the good work. 👴🏻👍🏻

  2. So, bird shot would be lucky to get through the clothing?
    Better check with some ER doctors!
    Bird shot will shred them at those ranges!
    Our home is over 4000 sq ft and if needed, it would only be 15' to perhaps 25' at the most!
    00 buck could go through a wall and into a neighbors home.
    Bird shot after going through a wall will lose a lot of energy before hitting a neighbors home!

  3. You totally forgot to rack the shotgun and tried to fire it with the expended shell in the chamber. That's why reloading is cut out the first time and shown the second. (;

  4. Thanks for the great demo. I only have one point to make (I know it’s a slightly diff subject) but you emphasize the liability of a couple stray pellets from a shotgun. That is nothing compared to a few (or more) off target shots from an ak47,ar15 and the like. One can say that they can shoot accurately with a semi automatic gun but I highly doubt that would be the majority in a real life and death situation unless they are at the gun range every week. Just my opinion, otherwise great video.

  5. The Judge is a great weapon when used for cqd as it was designed.  The 000 buck shells only have 3 pellets, so both of your shots put all pellets in the target.  Also, you incorrectly stated that 00B pellets are larger than 000B…the fact is that 000B pellets are the largest. I enjoy your videos, and this is the first time I've heard you give false information.  Keep the vids coming.

  6. Great job on filming/ sound. Well thought out interesting subject matter. Should be 10x the amount of views ! Thanks for producing such great content.

  7. I first read about this S&W 12 gauge (916A) in the Dec. 1980 issue of PistolerO. Phil Engeldrum's great gun publication. He had a four page review on the 916A, he called it excellent value for the money. List price then was $198. I ended up buying the 870 Police (#5028) for a bit more dough. Still though, this Smith would be a sweet gun to add to your brace of long guns. My 870P cost me $235 in 1982 at Karnival Sports in Brooklyn, NY.

  8. When the talk is on bird shot and home defense, why is that it's size 6-9 that's used?
    If size 1 bird shot (4mm dia.) is used, it would be a different real life result. Inside 10yrd, you'd get wanted result.

  9. Try buckshot out of a rifled barrel. The centrifugal force created by the rifling causes the shot pattern to spread quicker.

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