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Schulhof 1887 Repeating Pistol

Hey guys, thanks for tuning in to another video on forgotten weapons dot com. I’m Ian I’m here today at the James Julia Auction house. I’ve been gorgeous and frigid rural Maine taking a look at some of the cool guns they have coming up for sale in their march 2015 auction Something I’ve always been a big fan of are the very early manually repeating and frankly the very early semi-auto Handguns as you may know if you’ve watched a bunch of my videos well I had the chance to take a look at one particular Austrian manually operated pistol today, and it’s definitely something I wanted to share with you guys Now this is designed by an Austrian gentleman named Josef Schulhof. He was born in 1824 and Actually had a long career as a farmer of all things until in 1870 He finally got sick of it threw down that the plow I suppose and took off for Vienna to become a gunsmith He ended up having a number of patents and designs to his name He started first his first successful gun was a rifle in 1882 And then in 1884 he started he developed his first manually operated handgun which looked a bit like this guy not quite identical this is actually an 1887 model and Well, it’s just pretty neat this particular one is chambered for the 320 British Revolver cartridge Which is one of the unusual features about it as a prototype Has an eight round magazine and you’ll see where that magazine is when we bring the camera back in its it’s pretty neat So very few of these were made between all the different varieties the highest serial number Schulhof known is actually number 36 he was hoping to get a military contract for these pistols, but that didn’t work out So he ended up selling them on a limited scale commercially So some did make it into service, but not very many this one of course was not sold this was a working prototype So without any further ado, why don’t we bring the camera back here and check out the insides of this neat very early pistol So these early manually repeating pistols I think are just really cool before it was before people had figured out how to really do a reliable self-loading pistol This was the alternative, so I’ve already disassembled the big bits on this one. I took the grip plates off. That’s pretty simple Want to be real careful when we do it I do want to point out this one actually came – comes with a single cartridge Smart RWS 320 which fits the research I did suggested that this pistol is chambered for the 320 British Revolver cartridge And then we have side plates on both sides of the gun this one’s really tight So I left this side on and I took off this side plate. So that’s the plate itself you’ll notice there are two screws, but only one screw hole the reason for that Is that this front screw is actually just a camming block kind of clever Now let’s take a closer look inside exactly how this works All right, so what’s happening is inside the receiver of the gun the lever here has an extension that goes up to right here Or you can see it has a little bit of a round track cut in it that track guides a pin on this plate, and this is the locking plate, so when the guns fully in battery That plate right there pops up and locks Against the top of the receiver, just like that then when I pull the lever forward that track inside pulls the locking plate down and Then as it pulls the bolt back the bolt has this protrusion that guides this cam and that cycles This curved piece forward and back that piece is actually the follower so our magazine is tubular that’s the gate that we load cartridges in and you would put cartridges in nose down into that tube and fit eight of them in there, and then you close the cover and if we look at it from this side, we have this covered tube running all the way up the front strap of the grip and Then there’s a little tab here that will grab on to the rim of the cartridge. It’s under spring pressure from this very long spring So that will grab a cartridge pull it as I… let’s see… if we start with the bolt closed We have a cartridge sitting here that hasn’t been reached yet, when I pull the bolt down this pops over onto that last cartridge hooks over the rim right there and Then when I cycle the bolt closed it pulls all of the this whole stack of cartridges up the topmost one Gets pushed up. I don’t know if I can get in there very well to show you there it is There is a feeds elevator spring, right…. there. Me pushing on that right right there. That’s our elevator lifter spring and the whole stack of cartridges gets pushed up to here and the first one the Foremost one gets lifted up and as the barrel closes It gets pushed into the chamber then this little sheath trigger fires the gun You can see when I pull the trigger. It’s easier to see when it’s open when I pull the trigger This bit moves. It’s under tension from this long flat spring and then This piece is pulled down that Releases the striker which is this piece there’s a striker spring inside this tube? When I release that the firing pin goes forward and fires So if I open the bolt all the way it’ll catch on the sear notch and then as I close the lever We’re putting tension on the striker We’re putting tension on the striker right here Now there’s something going on with this pistol And I think I’d need to take the other side plate off to really identify it It doesn’t want it quite going to battery when there is tension on the striker. Not exactly sure why that is but It’s something as you can see we’ve got got the tension this would go a little bit farther that plate would pop up Fully into the receiver, and then when you pull the sheath trigger this drops and fires the gun well if you would like to have the opportunity to take this apart any time you feel like it is of course going up for sale At the auction house here so if you click the link below you can get over to Julia’s auction catalog This is lot number 2224. You can look it up check out their high-resolution pictures Pictures of the cool cartridge original cartridge that comes with it the cataloger’s description and find all the info you need to either set up an account and bid online or make plans come down here in person to the auction, thanks for watching

73 thoughts on “Schulhof 1887 Repeating Pistol

  1. Nice design. Loaded from the 'rear' of the magazine makes things simpler to line up cartridges for the bore but makes feeding them to that point much more complex.

    These things are of course possible, but it's good to know that someone tried!

  2. Why don't you just be a cataloger at an auction house for a living? As part of your resume and to entice them you can tell them you will make videos like this for some items, that will help improve their website and give their customers information. You clearly know enough about this stuff to be one.

  3. This is incredible. Previous to these videos I've only seen most of these pistols in 30 year old books by Sir Ian Hogg, not the best pictures and nowhere close to the internal shots and explanations. I seem to remember this pistol and wondering how it all worked…and now I do.
    Thanks Ian.

  4. Austrian guns are amazing and that design…so cool. Thank you for showing us something that otherwise would probably never reach the public at large.

  5. Wait, how would it get a second round into the chamber? What you showed would only pull a round if it was fully loaded would it not?

  6. I don't know if you've been asked this before. If so I'm sorry for being redundant. Do you do research on the firearm just before the video or do you have knowledge on hand about each specimen?

  7. Cleaver idea. I think if people knew more about it and if firearm designs did not move forward so fast, it would had been popular. At that time it seemed that everyone had a better design before they were finished building the first design, ha.

  8. Very unique design.

    I wonder, so many of these old pistols seem incredibly over-complicated. Is that due to patent avoidance, weaker materials, or simply poor design/no one had invented the "simple" guns?

  9. I friggin love this channel. I've been subscribed for more than a year, I think.I've always been excited about new uploads from ForgottenWeapons!

  10. I am very confused… was this a pseudo semi auto? Like, at first I thought you had to seperately engage the "lever" sort of like a lever rifle, but at the end you do it with one pull. So in practice is it like a really heavy trigger revolver?

  11. Ian, do you ever worry that you're eventually going to have done vids on every interesting and rare gun, and then you're just gonna have to end up doing reviews of the latest boring AR-15 variant like everyone else?

  12. I can always see how much you enjoy making these videos. Well… I can say that most of us are really enjoying them too. Thanks, keep up the good work.

  13. I don't get how the gun would feed after the first round was fired. When that loader spring comes down it would only be able to grab the cartridge if the gun was fully loaded. Say if there were only two cartridges left in the gun it would be grabbing air. Can you explain that in more detail?

  14. Funfact: The guy who invented this gun is literally Schoolyard in German.
    Think about a modern gun named schoolyard…

  15. Hey Ian , I recently found your Chanel like 2 weeks ago and I'm Hooked , I've watched nearly all your videos <3 keep it up

  16. The world is changing. With help of Forgotten Weapons, rare and unique antique guns like this start entering global public media like youtube. This is a great trend. Thanks a lot for the effort making these great videos!

  17. Would have been funnier if Ian said "Threw down his plow and dropped his hoe." 😛

    Edit: So let's look at this practically; what does this give you that, say, an M1873 Colt Single Action Army doesn't. Automatically ejects the spent brass, which is a plus. It still only loads one shell at a time, but having 8-rnd capacity is definitely a plus. Considering how long/skinny that striker is though, I doubt I'd want to carry it cocked/locked, even if it CAN be locked, not sure if there's a safety on that thing. Still, 8 rounds with an empty chamber is better than 5 rounds with an empty chamber, even though it fired a bullet that was 33% thinner.

    So, faster reload and higher capacity. Still, I think I'd rather an M1873. Simpler, diehard reliable, nice big .45 Colt cartridge, reloading is still quite smooth, and I figure the trigger was probably more crisp. Not to mention, it was probably FAR cheaper, even if it was also probably bigger/bulkier/heavier.

  18. It's a take on the lever action system. Even if it can be kept with a loaded chamber and cocked, to do so the user would have to close the action by pressing outside the ring on the front, otherwise the finger would trip the trigger as the action is brought to battery, pretty much like Lukas McCaine's rifle.

  19. Perfect name for a gun 😀 
    Schulhof is schoolyard in german 😀 
    you should not make guns with that name ^^

  20. One of my favorites so far. Kinda steampunk-ish. I find any loading method outside your basic revolver or in the grip magazine auto loader to be fascinating.

  21. It sounded like when you had the firearm apart the fonz came into the room. Maybe he can hit it and get the firearm to work right.

  22. Forgotten Weapons, I sure would like to see a video on here about the TEC-9 or variants of it. I know it is banned in several US states, so I can only hope you don't operate out of one of the banned states. I think the TEC-9 is an interesting looking gun, and the Wikipedia page has a heck of a story to go along with it.

  23. If it had a hammer rather than a striker, I'd be tempted to call it a "Spenser" pistol. 25 years late by then though!

  24. Josef Schulhof is an interesting figure, and maybe more infuential than some might think. First of all finding info on him on the internet is a pain in the ass, since Schulhof means Schoolyard in german, so if you type in "Schulhof" and "rifle" or "Gewehr", guess what you see? Kiddies with bad bad rifles on the schoolyard yawn. So anyhow, I found some patents by him. The guy made a rifle with a buttstock magazine holding 24 (!) cartridges, a straight-pull rifle before the Mannlicher or Schmidt(Rubin), and the military history museum of Vienna has a section with some of his designs. None of them were adopted by a military or successful commercially, apparently because they were too complex/expensive to build. But some of his ideas might have went into the Mannlicher or Schmidt(Rubin just made the ammo, dammit)actions. Next time I'm in Vienna I'll definitely go visit that museum

  25. Wow, the name sounds very macabre because when translate the first word into english it would say "Schoolyard pistol".

  26. Fantastic as usual. I really like your channel–not the usual Bubba stuff with an AR-15. Keep up the good work!

  27. Facinating action. Especially the feed tube in the handle, and how the follower catches rounds to push the stack up into battery. Are there separate catches, so it doesn't require 7 rounds to push the 8th up into the feed spring? I'm not sure how that works inside the magazine, but still. Really unique design. I love these cocking ring firearms like the Volcanics, and the features they tried before arriving at the modern standards (Browning Slide in the case of automatic pistols. For the most part.)

  28. Wow. Very similar to another Austrian repeating.pistol called the Bittner after its designer. Reference: All New Third Edition Gun Collectors Digest pg 32-34. ISBN: 0-910676-30-5. Only the feed mechanism differs. Info.

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