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Savage .25 ACP Prototype Pocket Pistols


hi guys thanks for tuning in to another video on Forgotten weapons comm I’m in and today I’m going to do a redo of a video that I did on 25 caliber savage pocket pistols there are two reasons for this one is that I now actually have available both the different styles of them so I can show you both types and secondly and more importantly thanks to a friend of mine named Bill chase I actually now know how to disassemble these so I’m going to show you that as well now the basic history of these is pretty simple because only like 25 of them were ever made basically savage wanted to introduce a competitor to the Browning pocket 1908 model pistol Browning hadn’t had developed to 25 acp cartridge for that pistol it was a very popular gun between when it was introduced in like 1941 colt managed to sell something like 400,000 of those pistols an absolute pocket load of them and savage wanted in on that market there was definitely a market for a pocket-sized concealable small caliber pistol so Savage put a lot of investment into developing these pistols obviously all the parts are different things like molds for the grip panels had to be developed all that and this pistol doesn’t really share any mechanical features with the standard 1907 1915 1917 savage pistols share some of their stylistic elements like the magazine release and the grip safety and the slide serrations but that’s about as far as it goes so the first version this one with the wide slide serrations was developed development started in like 1912 the guns were actually manufactured in 1914 or 1915 and they did a series of about 20 of them stereo numbered sequentially they then had a second batch that were done in 1917 which have much a larger number of narrow grip serrations those it appears rarely have serial numbers they also don’t have the the address markings and there were probably sale samples but neither of these ultimately went anywhere and Savage never put either of them into major production so why don’t we go ahead and take a closer look at some of the details and how to disassemble these things so are our two different models as I mentioned the wide slide serrations are the first one produced 1914 or 1915 the narrow later style slide serrations are the later model produced probably 1917 and again neither of these went into any substantial serial production now on the guns that are serial numbered one would expect to find serial numbers right here on the bottom of the grip they start at 1001 is 1019 they all have this M suffix which stands for something we don’t know what the grips are rather different than standard they have the savage word at the top and in the Indianhead logo the safety is kind of a carryover from the standard savage guns you can see it’s engraved there safe and fire so that’s safe that’s the fire position there is also a little tiny grip safety on these the magazine release is like that of the standard savage pistols so we have a six round magazine of 25 automatic here you can see the mag catch not right there in the front and mechanically these are just simple blowback so nothing particularly special to them then the later version is mechanically identical still blowback just has different styling to the grip serrations same magazine release back we’re going to take the mag out here in order to disassemble its will pull that now these often don’t have serial numbers this one does and it’s a number that’s been added right here most likely it’s hard to say this may have been a gun that was like snuck out of the factory by an employee at some point without the factory’s permission and then they added a serial number later on because they decided it needed to have one I would kind of expect this to be serialized down here like the others but it’s not so a little bit of a question as to the origin of this particular model or this particular example e lastly we can take a look at the address line here Savage Arms Company Utica New York USA patents applied for caliber twenty five and six point three five millimeter 25 and 635 are the same thing that’s 25 ACP you can see on the late model gun here there’s nothing at all inscribed on the top of the slide alright disassembly of these is really stupidly complex so first I’m going to put the safety in this middle position then this is actually a pin and I’m going to push it out of the way to press the grip safety as well get that just in the right spot we need this to pivot out of the way like that now that this is released this is going to allow us to pull the slide stop out the back once it’s in there we go okay so that comes out this is our striker spring and then this is just this is what compresses the striker spring and prevents the slide from coming off the back of the frame now that that is out you’d think you like pull the slide back lift up and draw it forward nope not the case instead this square block is the breech block which is separate from the slide so what I need to do is pull the slide all the way back and then the breech block comes out the bottom like that and then I can gently release the slide and then the slide comes off the front there you go there is a field-stripped savage 25 ACP prototype the barrel is fixed in place like on most of these little pistols and striker-fired there’s our striker we’ve got a mainspring here that wraps around the barrel and it’s actually pinned in place by the front sight so if you want to take the mainspring out you have to actually unscrew it which I’m not going to bother doing here we have the breech block which is separate from the slide it’s got this lug that locks it into the slide and then a slot for a striker and firing pin extractor on top there you go thanks for watching guys the 25 caliber savages are an extremely rare piece of savage firearms history here and it’s really cool that now we’re able to take a look at both types and take them apart so appreciate you watching if you enjoyed this 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87 thoughts on “Savage .25 ACP Prototype Pocket Pistols

  1. It would seem to me that that nightmarish field stripping procedure was the most likely reason for this pistol's lack of commercial success.

  2. great video, what was the legal situation regarding concealed carry back when these were made? I was under the impression that pretty much every state had laws banning carry until like the 1980's when concealed carry started to become a thing. Obliviously this was designed for concealed carry so people must have been carrying back then, did you have to be police or a detective or something or did regular people just do it and not care what the law was?

  3. i live in the uk where it is next to impossible to own a gun. yet i still find these video incredibly interesting. thank you

  4. can anyone explain to me why the 25A.C.P. holds more than a  .22lr.? even with the rim the rounds are about the same size but a 25 always seems to hold 1 more round in it's magazine, I can't figure that out for the life of me!!!

  5. Several commenters reference the weakness of .25 ACP cartridge apparently without context. The .25 ACP pistol genre, trades conceal ability and reliability for more powerful round in larger envelope. While the 'armchair expert' thinks anything less than a custom Kimber .45 ACP is worthless for defense hence being dismissive, in the real world, concealabilty, with ultimate availability of a reliable weapon is goal. The market was huge, just check the wide variety of small revolvers offered in the Sears 1903 catalogue. Back in that era, police protection was limited at best and mostly after the fact. Despite gun laws banning conceal carry in most cities, criminals than as now, ignored them. A flat concealable weapon, easily carried without notice for the law abiding, was chosen by many businessmen in suits and others. The .25 pistol was the 'rape prevention' system of the era. (Not all women were armed, but rapists did know who was or wasn't.) A FMJ .25 ACP round easily penetrates abdomen ("belly gun") and can damage highly vascular areas of liver, stomach , and intestine, ultimately being fatal. The .25 ACP round more precision made than .22, resulting in more reliability. Does .25 ACP rival the .45 ACP in stopping power? Of course not, but the discreetness of the .25 ACP, 'just in case' is a practical alternative.

    From the 1950's to around the 1970's, .25 ACP was very common crime caliber, to point media deemed them all as "Saturday Night Specials" with laws in some parts of US and other Countries specifically targeting this caliber. Real world apparently does not follow rules of the armchair gun 'experts'. (BTW: I'm NOT referring to Ian who is extremely knowledgable on firearm related matter, but to the many commenters on gun sites who watch movies and TV to get their gun expertise or some of the other You Tube sites where their naiveté about real world is almost laughable.)

  6. Sneaked, Ian. "Snuck" is not actually a word. Glad you finally got to disassemble one! That's a hell of a lot of machining operations to make a blowback .25 Auto.

  7. I LOVE my little Raven MP25. I've never had a problem with it. It does what it's supposed to do every time I pull the trigger. The only complaint I have is that ammo is pricey.

  8. Ian Would You consider doing videos like History and take down on older sporting and carry weapons ? I had a Savage 99 that was locked up for Many years because nobody knew how to take it down I wonder how other old guns are out there like this

  9. Appreciate that. This pistol had an absurd amount IMO of overengineering and complexity for such a small caliber. I am sure a better work around to avoid Browning patent infringement of the disassembly of a .26 could have been found. LoL, of course it could have been because other gun makers found it. I can only wonder how much extra cost the removable breech block added to the manufacture. Pinning a recoil spring in place with a front sight that uncsrews? LoL, why? Ibid. I fully understand why they only made a few of these before some bean counter said, enough.

  10. Hey, Ian, have you ever thought of making a video on the the forgotten assault rifles that could have become the AK? I'm referring to guns like the AS-44, AT-44, AK-44 and the like. many of those designs show the lineage, if you will,, of the final adopted model and are definitely forgotten by most. I saw some (can't be sure if these specific models) on display at St. Petersburg's artillery museum (they have a Kalashnikov section), but i had very little time as they were closing so if you could ever find some of the guns named it would be pretty cool to see how they operate and what makes them stand out/different from the AK.

  11. This is one the most educational channels. Diolithic / this word sent me to the dictionary. I couldn't find it but I know it will be in Ian's book. Great Stuff.

  12. Dialetheism is the view that some statements can be both true and false simultaneously. More precisely, it is the belief that there can be a true statement whose negation is also true. Such statements are called "true contradictions". ……every statement becomes false if a contradiction is true; this means that such systems become trivial when dialetheism is included as an axiom. The differences between the two guns is Trivial. Was that it. Go Ian.

  13. Really glad you took the time to produce this vid. Ever since I fired a baby Browning a few years ago I find these little vest pocket autos fascinating. Thanks. *BGM.41

  14. It just occurred you me that you never really hold the guns you show as if you were carrying it ready to fire. It would be nice to have a reference for hand size of different weapons if you could hold them for a shot or two at different angles while telling the history of the item. Thanks Ian!

  15. Thanks for taking the time to do this again, these pocket pistols are really quite interesting. Is there a market for these in the UK at all?

  16. Too weak a Round. The low capacity also seams to account for a very limited production run. I hit the unlike but that is not how I feel about this Channel. I really love those rare Firearm reviews.

  17. Hey Ian, I was wondering if you have ever seen a German WWII era Sturmpistole in person before? It was essentially a modified flare gun that shoots miniature shaped charges and other small explosives in an attempt to create a super compact anti-tank weapon. It's a pretty cool little concept that I think you might find interesting!

  18. My father owns a .25 Astra and I always hated firing it and cleaning it after. I think in general these pocket pistols are at best a "Better than using your fists but only just slightly." option.

  19. Interesting. I've never seen a breech block come out before. If that second gun could talk, it would probably have some interesting stories. I suspect it was ill-gotten gain, and it only got a serial number later on because its owner decided to sell it. Great video as always. Thank you

  20. Awesome! Love Savages! In Bailey Brower Jr.'s book he states that there is a third variation of the Savage .25ACP but only 3 are known to exist. He also states that both the 1915 AND 1917 versions (like you had) should have serial numbers BUT he states exactly, "Some Savage .25s have emerged that lack minor parts or are complete but have no serial numbers. Most likely, these guns are "lunchbox specials" -pistols cobbled together by employees using leftover parts, probably without company approval." Im sure you have his book, this is on page 136 second complete paragraph on the right side. Take a look if you havent. Keep the GREAT videos coming. I do appreciate it. – Jacob S.

  21. Mr.E. M. What would be the MOST Durable 25&32/380 hand guns I could buy in current market .(In YOU'RE OPINION ? Thank You Sir.:-)

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