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Fieldsports Britain – Airguns vs shotguns on pigeons + big-bore air rifle


[Music] Welcome to Fieldsports Britain. Coming up
top rifle reviewer, Tim Pilbeam has got his hands on a 30 calibre airgun. Is it worthy
of the name fire arm. We are putting guns into the hands of giggling girls as the final
of the Oxford Gun Company’s Novice School’s Challenge. First another couple of screamers,
Roy Lupton and Mark Gilchrist are clearing out feral pigeons from a barn in Essex. You don’t have to be a game chef like Mark
Gilchrist to appreciate that no-one wants pigeon poo in their sandwiches. But when the
skies start to darken thanks to bird numbers around wheat storage barns it’s time to send
some of them to the big grain store in the sky. So you have got a few pigeons here. Got a lot of pigeons, a lot of ferals now
built up over a long time now. What sort of problems do they cause you? We are in various schemes that we are not
really allowed to have any sort of pigeons around the grain stores, food stores. You
just don’t want birds messing in the stores. So hopefully we will be able to sort them
out today. That is what I am hoping. You have very kindly let me shoot a few pigeons
here, so the least we can do is try and do some feral pigeons. That would be good. You kindly put some wheat out for us, in strategic
spots. There must be about £500, £600 worth of
wheat on the floor there, the way the price is at the moment. If only. We will be gathering it all up afterwards. When Roy has finished he will individually
pick up each grain and put it back into the store for you. I will be checking . Mark is joined by Roy Lupton with his Air
Arms air rifle. To avoid damaging the roofs we need some subtle, more refined shooting.
Giving them both barrels will win no friends here. With a little of farmer Mark’s precious wheat
on the ground we’re hoping to get the birds dropping in – but first we’re going to have
a quick whizz around the yard. Roy takes a few birds but the guys think that
the best bet is a two-pronged approach. Roy picking the birds off with the air rifle – Mark
keeping them moving with the Maxus on the neighbouring field. What is the game? What are we going to play
at today? We are going to have to get you to shoot them
off the roof and I will go down to the bottom there with a shotgun, because every time that
bunch comes up. If they come out and I can get 3 or 4 out of the bunch and they go back
in, we are very quickly going to rack up some numbers. I think if we can just pick them off when
they are 25, 30 yards with the air rifle and you keep them moving, hopefully we will get
a better chance. Well we will go and give that a go. I will
go and stand behind that hedge. I don’t need to build a very good hide as they are
only ferals afterall. Ok mate. With Mark installed – Roy starts working the
yard. The birds are already a bit skittish and half of them have got the flock out of
here. But there’s plenty to keep us busy. Roy is
of course happiest taking shots with a backstop. Although the yard is empty we only reserve
skylined shots when the field is the only place the pellet can fall. Now, not every shot finds it’s mark – and
there are some lucky birds out there… Like a scene from the matrix it’s a perfectly
timed getaway, … this second bird gets a glancing blow to it leg… then there’s this
wood pigeon feeding on the ground. Now with the wood pigeons, they are a much
tougher creature to kill with the air rifle, so you want to get a nice head shot if you
can. If he doesn’t hold his head still, I am going to try and go through and hit the
spine. So these are much tougher creatures than the ferals. He doesn’t really want
to hold his head still. Oh I should have shot the one at the back then, he held his head
still for me. Right there we go, hang on. What on earth happened there. So I have just done the replay on that pigeon
that was sitting there in front of the coil of yellow hose there. Took the shot and you
can see that the cross hairs were perfectly on so should have been absolutely spot on
shot for just taking the head out or dropping down into the neck. You can see perfectly
the pellet going off to the left hand side and there is no wind because we are in a court
yard surrounded by barns so it is not windage. That can be down to the deformity in the pellet.
That particular pellet might have had a slight crease in it or something like that and that
was enough to just crease the back of his neck, take a few feathers out of the back
of his neck and then away he went. It does look good though. Roy has zerod the rifle at 30 yards, so when
we have a couple of birds around the 50 yard range we have to start looking at bullet drop
more closely… It all depends on the pellet drop here. So
he is just over 50 yards away. The pellet drops nicely into the chest. There we go. So that was just over 50. As Roy reloads the magazine he finds a damaged
pellet..not spotting one earlier might have been the reason for the woodies’ close shave. So you can see on that pellet there, we have
got a big deformity there. I just put it in the magazine and then noticed the shape it
was. So what I probably did on that wood pigeon is had a pellet in there that was like that
so it is not going to fly true to target. So that is probably what we are getting. That
is not necessarily the fault of the pellet manufacturer. That can be just down to the
storage of your pellets. If you have dropped the tin or dropped pellets on the floor and
pick them up and put them back in that is what you can get and so you can get deformities
in there. So it really does pay to be very careful with your pellets and make sure they
don’t get deformed and knocked about too much. Every now and again we hear a boom from the
other side of the farm so we know Mark is getting some sport. The real down side is I can’t really shoot
up that way and there is quite a lot coming from that field over there back over the farm,
I can’t shoot into the farm obviously and some are coming inside that line over there
I just don’t want to shoot over that way because it is not long until you get to the
road and all the buildings and workers that way. So I have only had stuff out in that
angle. I think they will come back, I can’t believe they they will stay away for ever. Back to the air rifle and Roy gets another
couple of good shots off. This one is an excellent head shot. It’s so important to practice so
that you’re confident of finding a very small target. So obviously you can see this pigeon was shot
in the back of the head there. So that is the entry wound there. He was poking his head
up above the gulley and when you are shooting anything with the air rifle, obviously you
have got very little room for error. So you either want to be taking a head shot, a neck
shot, or obviously through the vital organs, preferably if you can take the spine out as
well, they drop on the spot, or tend to drop on the spot. So you have only got a very small
margin for error though. When you think that the main part which is going to kill the pigeon
is just behind the eye, so you have got a very small target there. Probably about the
size of a 5 pence piece if you are looking at him side on. So taking away the feathers
and everything else it doesn’t give you much of a target. So you need to make sure
your air rifle is spot on and you have practiced shooting from lots of different positions
so you are used to shooting from a standing position, a leaning position and what ever else. So you ensure your pellet ends up to
where you want to hit it. As the afternoon marches on the number of
birds above us is falling- they know something is up and dead birds on the roof don’t help.
Things have also dried up for Mark to so time to call it a day and make further plans to
tackle the problem here. He was very appreciative we made the effort
which is about all we can do. Well that is about all you can do. As long
as you are trying, it keeps everybody happy. There is a bit of ferret food there as well. There are 3 woodies in there some Mark food
as well. There’s a bag of about 50 birds, Mark scores
about 15 with Roy taking out the rest – all helping to keep your cheese and pickle sandwich,
pigeon free. Well it may come as a surprise to you to know
that we do a lot of air gun films. We have got Roy Lupton creeping around a London shopping
centre looking for feral pigeons. We have our rather popular pellet power and performance
film. If you would like to see a list of them, click on the screen which has appeared in
the sky above me and you can go straight there as long as you are watching this on Youtube. Now for another bird with no future, it is
David on the Fieldsports Channel News Stump. [Music] This is Fieldsports Britain News. With the wildfowling season getting underway,
BASC has brought out a new guide to superb value wildfowling with clubs all over the
UK. The 2012 / 2013 Wildfowling Permit Scheme booklet is designed to provide information
to people who have never been wildfowling as well as the experienced wildfowler who
wants to shoot in a new area. We made a film about the scheme which you can watch by clicking
on the link on the screen. To request a copy of the book, email [email protected] BASC is also underway mapping the future of
shooting. The Green Shoots mapping website aims to identify the health of quarry populations
and other important wildlife across the UK. BASC members will also be able to print off
custom maps of their shooting ground for their own use. Visit greenshoots.basc.org.uk It might become necessary to kill beavers.
That’s the conclusion of a new report by Scottish Natural Heritage. There is a trial
release project underway in Argyllshire. A wider programme of releases in the future
could, in some places, see the animals causing problems by damaging trees and crops. This
film shows beaver hunting in Latvia. Organisers of the Midland Game Fair say the
event is going ahead as planned despite a summer of rain. The organisers have issued
the statement following cancellations of British rural events including the CLA Game Fair and
the Great Yorkshire Show. A former American basketball star is the latest
face of anti elephant and rhino poaching in Africa. Yao Ming spent ten days filming a
documentary aimed at discouraging the purchase of ivory and rhino horns. And finally, London commuters face a new terror
on the Underground. Mice are attacking passengers at Farringdon tube station, according to the
sign that has done the rounds of Twitter and the rest. The solution according to Transport
For London? Tuck your trousers into your socks. There – don’t be a victim. You are now up to date with Fieldsports Britain
News. Stalking the stories. Fishing for facts. [Music] Thank you David. Next a really big gun. Tim
Pilbeam is testing the Daystate Wolverine. The Daystate Wolverine .303 has got people
talking – Some say ‘it’s awesome’. Others point out that, in order to own this work
of Dr Frankenstein the UK you need to have a fire arms certificate – and if you have
an FAC why on earth would you bother about air when you can have powder? Well today we
want to find out if this beast is worth howling about. Instead of putting it in the hands
of an air gunner, we’re giving it to a rifle reviewer who hasn’t been air gunning since
he was in shorts. The last time I shot an air rifle, I was 15
years old and then as soon as I got my hands on a .22 Rimfire I saw the light and that
was it. That was the very last time and that was 35 years ago and now I am faced with a
30 calibre air rifle which is brilliant. So I am looking forward to this. Tim certainly likes the look of the Daystate,
but before we see if it does the job, what about applications. To put it bluntly – what’s
the point of it? Quite a few plus points for the .303. Beyond
150 yards these are very, very safe. The pellets just fizzle out and very, very low ricochet
so very inherently safe, soft, malleable pellets. Secondly the ammunition is a bit cheaper than
the .22 Rimfire. Apparently there are some police forces who are steering people towards
an FAC air rifle, because they feel it is safer than a .22 or a .17 HMR. The biggest worry for Tim is animal welfare.
Not the fuzzy kind peddled by the antis. Tim wants to see his animals drop to the shot
and he knows his rifles will do exactly that. If you are going to kill an animal, make sure
you kill it with plenty of power. But air rifles have moved on an awful lot over the
last 35 years. So we need to look at these types of air rifles again and see what they
are capable of. So Tim is willing to give the Wolverine benefit
of the doubt… However – he wants to do a quick couple of comparison tests between his
.22, a .17HMR and this .303 First up penetration… We have got 5 bits of wood here. They about
15mm wide. Let’s see how deep the bullets travel into the wood. So the .17 has gone
through 60mm plus of wood. The .22 has gone through 45 say 50mm. And the .303 Wolverine
has gone nearly through 30mm of wood. What that tells me is that the Wolverine .303 has
a lot better knock down power than the actual .22. The .22 with a rabbit tends to go straight
through a rabbit whereas a Wolverine I suspect will actually stop in the rabbit itself which
is very safe and I suspect it will knock the rabbit over a lot better than the .22 Rimfire. Next, let’s look at accuracy. Here are some
targets he prepared earlier.. Comparing the Rimfires to the .22 Wolverine.
This is a .17HMR 17 grain bullet at 50 yards we achieved about .6 of an inch grouping.
There were very windy conditions today so not the best conditions to check the grouping.
The .22 Rimfire 40 grain bullet, we achieved about 1inch grouping at 50 yards which is
quite respectable. The .303 Wolverine in fact we have actually got 10 shots here – very,
very windy and whilst we got 2 slight fliers, most of the shot went into the middle there.
So I think as the day went on the actual Wolverine improved quite a bit. So I am very happy with
the accuracy of the .303. So far, the Wolverine seems to pack a punch
and it is pretty accurate – delivering all that energy where it counts – but what about
the real thing? Well, Tim has a couple of myxamotosis sufferers that we can use for
the last test. First up it’s the .22 – then the .303. This is the rabbit shot with the .22 Rimfire.
We have got an entrance wound there which has actually come straight through. You can
just see that which is standard for a .22 at about 50 yards. With the impact the rabbit
moved quite a bit so I was quite surprised on that. But that is fairly normal penetration
exit wound for a rabbit. On the .303 once again we have got an entrance wound there,
but it has actually come out the other side. What is interesting is that the rabbit didn’t
actually move. The pellet went straight through. I would have thought with the knock down power
of the .303 this rabbit perhaps fall straight over the bag. But is stayed still and the
bullet went straight through it. Interesting observation, nothing scientific about this,
just interesting to see how a rabbit reacts to a heavier bullet. In this situation it
went straight through it. The next thing we need to do is go out into the field at night
time and knock a few bunnies over and see actually what happens with the .303. OK – Tim fires up the beast – his now infamous
V8 Rabbiting vehicle. It does twice as many miles to the gallon as the Daystate does to
an air fill… All eyes are on the Wolverine tonight – and
to start with Tim’s friend Matt will be shooting with Tim driving and lamping. Rabbit number
one is hit hard and drops – a good start but how is that pellet behaving? Just shot a rabbit about 35 yards away with
the .303. The entry wound here has gone straight through the front shoulder. At the moment
we can’t find any exit wound what so ever. So what we do is get the knife out and have
a quick look inside the chest cavity and see if there is actually anything in there. The
pellet has actually gone through the rabbit. In fact we have had a closer inspection and
it has actually gone through the other side. So on this occasion the pellet went straight
through the rabbit at about 35 yards. Which is slightly surprising, because it has taken
the shoulder out and I would have thought the pellet would have perhaps mushroomed a
bit more than that, but it has gone straight through the shoulder, straight through the
chest cavity and out the other side. But it was an instant kill. A job well done. As we move across the farm Tim spots a fox
– not an animal he’d chose to shoot with the .303 but thankfully Matt has also packed his
.243… just in case. The animal is on the move but has one last glance back in our direction.
The vixen drops. Fortunately as ever foxes tend to, if they
are running away, they always have a last look and it looked round in front of this
tree here and we managed to shoot it. We are using, tonight on foxes, 75 grain VMax at
about 3.5 feet per second. We like the VMaxes as they do expand very, very quickly, fragment
causing huge, huge trauma to the body and that stops the animal straight away. It is
instant death and that is what we are trying to achieve here. The rabbits aren’t playing tonight. The ones
we do see are too far for the Daystate – however before calling it a night this bunny provides
a nice close shot. Here we got a rabbit not very far away. I
think about 15, 20 metres away and once again we have got quite a large entrance wound,
on the other side of the animal on this occasion the pellet went straight through the neck,
it was a great shot by Matt. Ok yes here we go. So the pellet has passed through the neck
and out through the lower part of the jaw. Which is slightly surprising because you have
got some hard neck bone tissue there and also at the bottom of the jaw here – I can feel
it now. That is all very hard bone and the pellet has gone straight through and out the
otherside. I would have though an air rifle pellet would have mushroomed out and stopped
and just cause quite a big exit wound, but there is nothing there. So it has actually
gone straight through. We haven’t had the volume of rabbits we had
hoped for this evening but Tim’s certainly got a feel for this rifle…so the big question
is would he consider the Wolverine as a serious pest controlling contender?? I suppose I have got to look at it from a
person who likes the smell of gun powder. It performed, we shot 3 or 4 rabbits and every
single time the pellet went straight through the animal and actually on 2 occasions we
didn’t actually get a complete kill straight away, which is slightly concerning. If has
been a .22 Rimfire I think on both those occasions I would expect the rabbit to be dead. With
a .17 HMR it would definitely be dead because of the explosive nature of the air rifle.
It is a beautifully built air rifle. Beautiful bit of wood here, but after a night out shooting,
I think I will stick with my .22 Rimfire and my .17 HMR. But it has been a very, very interesting
night out with the .303 Wolverine. It’s not for Tim, but it is an exciting addition
to the world of fieldsports, it’s a calibre feared by enemies of the British army right
up to when NATO introduced the limper-wristed 556, and thank goodness there are British
companies out there who are working to revolutionise the sometimes staid old world of airguns.
For more information about the wolverine and the Daystate range go to daystate.com. From airguns to shotguns and getting people
into shooting. It’s the School’s Challenge. The Novice Schools Challenge aims to introduce
youngsters to shooting that have never held a gun before. The hope is that some will continue
to keep on with their shooting. If we have 10 that take it up that is a result
in my book. You would be happy with that. 10 more people shooting, 10 more customers
into the shooting industry which will keep the shooting industry going. 10 more guns
out there. It will keep it going. So if that happens, I will be happy. You can see evidence of this today with some
young guns returning. They may hold a slight advantage. A bit of friendly competition always helps
get the kids interested and gives them something to work towards over the summer months. The
Oxford Gun Company holds have-a-go days every Tuesday throughout the summer holidays. The best 18 shots from the 75 who took part
in those days make it into today’s final. Who knows? Maybe there’s a future Olympic
gold medallist among this lot of promising guns. To prep them for Rio 2016, the Oxford
Gun Company provide the same flash clays used in London 2012. Today there are four girls competing – and
there’s a bit of healthy rivalry in the air with the boys. There are a total of three stands on offer.
The idea is not to frighten these novices with challenging targets but give them some
fun clays to shoot at. One of the stands is a bouncing bunny for added challenge and excitement. After everyone has given their best, six finalists
go through to a shoot off. Michael Hook, winner of the boys’ competition
today, has competed before but this is his first win. Starting when he was nine years
old, Michael takes what he learns at the Oxford gun company and applies it to shooting outside
these grounds. Since I won this competition I really want
to go on and do better competitions. Is this your 2nd competition. Yes, last year I lost, I didn’t do as well.
But I was determined that this year I was going to win it and I won it. Michael’s friend Will Ford is last year’s
winner. But you can’t have glory every time. In some ways it would have been nice to win
but then again he has been shooting really well. While Will and Michael are, by novice standards,
old hands, Isabelle is new to the shooting scene. She tried shooting for the first time
in Scotland and, with only one lesson at the Oxford Gun Company, she is the winner of the
ladies’ shot. It was quite relaxing because I didn’t think
I was going to win. And then during the end it was like a few points between all of the
girls and we all started to get a bit tense. But it was really good. David Florent runs the Schools Challenge and
is a keen advocate of promoting shooting in the younger generation. The Novice School’s Challenge is there to
encourage people to continue with shooting. Not just have a go and put the gun away, but
to continue with it. It shows them that the more they do, the better they can achieve.
The better things they can win and the lad that won it, Mike, has been trying to win
this, he has done I think all 3 of them, he has put a lot of effort in and he has come
out with the result. We have made loads of films of the School’s
Challenge over the last 3 years and if you would like to see some of them and you are
watching this on Youtube, click on that screen in the sky behind me. Now let’s go international. It is Hunting
Youtube. This is Hunting YouTube, which aims to show
the best hunting, shooting and fishing videos that YouTube has to offer. A couple of French films for starters. Ooh
la la. Milouin has featured before. This time, he is showing a lovely early morning in the
Carmargue looking for duck. Next is a languid film about a mouflon hunting
trip in the Czech Republic. There are a lot of mouflon here. An awful lot. Despite the
calming piano music soundtrack, he does get to shoot them. From flocks of Czech sheep to sounders of
Australian pigs. SteveLeeILikeGuns is hunting Crocodile Dundee country in the Northern Territory
for feral pigs. He says that the NT has a high number of large boars because of the
remoteness and the size of the state. That turns out to be an understatement. This place
is pork soup and the animals are not hard to get close to. The damage they are doing
to the countryside is clear to see. Steve has a lot of shooting on his hands here. Use your fingers says Totally Awesome fishing
host Graeme Pullen in this British how-to piece about catching chub. What he’s talking
about is touch ledgering, where you feel the weight bumping along the bottom of the river
bed. “You can bump and feel, and also use your left hand,” he says “It’s so sensitive,
you can feel the bite”. Fnarr fnarr. Now we go 6,000 miles to California where
‘Jeremy Salmon Fishing 2’ is a cute film, mainly to 1980s computer game music, showing
an angler catching a chum salmon that has run up from the Pacific. And then showing
his increasingly desperate attempts to let it go. He succeeds in the end. Staying in America, it’s not quite our experience
of deerstalking but here’s a keen hunter , Casey Shoopman, editor and videographer
for ManagementAdvantage, who is planning what corn to leave on his farm in Illinois in order
to attract deer. He is talking about crops and vegetation we barely grow and know in
Europe but the film has some useful tips about what he reckons deer want for cover and for
food. Now we’re back in the UK again and looking
at rodents. Top of the list is this test of thermal imaging equipment by LordLardOfFrams
which includes plenty of rabbit shooting. Next we have rat hunting and CountryPursuitsTV
is getting baity – that is he is showing off the secrets off his best baits for ratting.
You get seven minutes of Malcolm being a kind of vermin version of Delia Smith but eventually
he takes the stuff out to try it out on the real thing. You can click on any of these films to watch
them. If you have a YouTube film you would like us to pop in to the weekly top eight,
send it in via YouTube, or email me the link [email protected] Well If you like shooting you will love the
Shooting Show. It is appearing on the screen just up there in the sky. Byron Pace is going
out after Mountain reedbuck in Africa and Peter Carr is after roebuck. Both at home and abroad, episode seventeen
of The Shooting Show takes in the best shooting sports the planet has to offer. Byron is in
South Africa, where he finds himself heading up dirt tracks into the mountains for a mountain
reedbuck cull with a couple of old friends. They are on the trail of rams and ewes. Back
in Britain, Pete Carr spots a roebuck living dangerously close to a busy road. There is
the threat of a road traffic accident, so the pressure is on to go out stalking and
grass the buck quickly. It’s a textbook stalk and the chance for Pete to share some
of his favoured advice and equipment for lowland stalking and the gralloch. The Shooting Show
has also got the latest on British medals at the Paralympics and big bags shot during
this year’s grouse season. Now if you are watching this on Youtube, please
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43 thoughts on “Fieldsports Britain – Airguns vs shotguns on pigeons + big-bore air rifle

  1. Guys great video, really nice to see Mark & Roy back on the show without the camo romper suit brigade with all the gear and no idea!!!. The bosses of the show do read and take note about the lost sole 'Billy Bob Barr'…..sorry spades a spade approach. Watching the opening of the show I saw him and thought "I'll be fast forwarding" but to my delight he did not feature. It would be nice to see Andy Crow back on the show and some Red stag stalking.

  2. Nice to see the Wolverine out in the field and being used. The clean passage through the bunny isn't a surprise for me. As a FAC air rifle user for many a year I've had .22 and currently using .25 at 47ft Ibs (half that of the Wolverine) and the pellet generally zips clean through. I've had a few cleanly dispatched bunnies at 100yd + and even then the pellet passes through. It's nice to see a powder burner user come back to his roots. Great vid!!!

  3. 21:48 – "Staid old world of air guns" !!! Hummm I don’t think so Charlie. Over the last few years air rifles have evolved with the rise in popularity of PCP (just ask Roy) plus enhancements to the tuning of spring powered air rifles not to mention gas ram. If you want "staid old world" then look no further than shotguns which aint changed in design for more than a century.

  4. One of your best videos yet!!

    Although I have an FAC rapid7, I really fail to see the attraction of the .303 air rifle. For such few shots and with terminal ballistics not so different than a 30ftlb gun, it's nothing more than folly.

    Well done on an honest review, Tim!!

  5. i know but everyone else was thinking it but im either a sub 12 fpe or my .22 wmr for those extra long long long shots at maybe 200 yards

  6. awesome vid guys, keep them coming… luv the pigeon shooting! If people only knew what type of diseases these flying rats carry someone would have handed the guys a big f#@k off trophy

  7. You can own one over the age of 15 but it must a acquired by someone 18 or older and they must have a shotgun certificate. You can hold a shotgun certificate at any age, but as 686silverpigeon says you must have known someone for two years. For more specific info you can check out the Metropolitan Firearms Licensing website.

  8. Well done for another grate show. & must say charlie your looking very smart in your wedding suit & your hair greast to the side WOW. nice one

  9. Thanks for the nice response in Denmark you need to be in a sporting clup to get a license to a shotgun under the age of 16 when you are 16 you can get a hunting licence and with that you can shoot alone and shoot anything thats allowed to shoot with a shotgun 😀

  10. Andy Crow should be back on soon when he isn't too busy with the farm As for Red Stag stalking there is something in the pipeline.

  11. Roy what is your camera setup & do think it will work as well on a spring rifle ?
    Do you think recoil will be an issue ?PS KEEPUP THE GOOD WORK. DONT respond to them animal rights crowd like ThePOO 57 (The poo as in sh t) because thats all there talking. keep m coming……..

  12. "What's best for pigeons – airguns or shotguns?"

    What an odd question. I sincerely doubt that pigeons find much to recommend about either. However, among pigeon hunters, I'm sure there are strong opinions one way or another.

    A brief poll of a thousand pigeons in my area revealed the following :

    Airguns 0.1%
    Shotguns 0.0%
    Unsure 0.2%
    Other(Specify) 23.5%
    Neither 76.2%

    I believe further research is needed in this area

  13. Dear feildsports, if youjust uploaded the wolverine review and shooting rabbits part it would probably be overrun with views with so many people wanting to see the .303 on live quarry,
    Cheers

  14. Good episode, as per the norm. Would like to be able to actually watch this show on TV…. and going off of the viewing stats I read (I think on the fieldsports website) – in comparison to some of the drivel that is currently on TV I'm sure there is a scope for it….

    Only criticism on this occasion is that I wasn't feeling the horror movie style background music during the .303 field test but I did however appreciate the honesty in the gun review conclusion.

  15. why the sinister music all the way through the daystate 303 feature? how did that get past production? the news features a bit over the top, not sure if its a spoof or real, i think you have a great formula just think you let your selves down with little mistakes like that. apart from that very intresting.

  16. Anyone else think the .303 tester is under estimating the power of air rifles in general?
    He seems suprised a 100 ft/lb air rifle pellet passes through a rabbit.
    my FAC S410 xtra and my .177 sub 12 ft/lb punch holes clean through rabbits?
    Anythought?

  17. Great we need more debates like this Air Rifles v Shotguns. Springers v Labrador , rifle v lurcher etc

  18. I am so glad I live in Oregon. I can drive 13 minutes and I am in the national forest where I can bang away with whatever. I don't kill anything but I like to shoot my automatic pistols.

  19. How cruel putting the animals through such suffering when they are not killed. If you had proper grain storage facilities you would not have to do this

  20. For the woodpigeons…why not take a .22 pellet, shot placement becomes less of an issue.And if you don't wat deformed pellets, buy H&N pellets. They are very clean and have very uniform skirt-thickness…and are very well sorted quality-wise. Last, they do not deform easy in the tin because they are a fair bit harder than JSB-pellets. I inspect almost each pellet I put through a barrel and I have had several tins with almost all 500 pellets in perfect order…wich you can only dream of with JSB's.

  21. Reducing pellet weight should help with rabbiting, the reduced weight will reduce the pellets passing through and delivering all energy to the rabbit. Sometimes less = more.

  22. why is this disgusting stuff allowed to appear on yt? i m gonna complain, there is gonna be a campaign, twitter, on those stupid degenerate poms,

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