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5 Great, but Overlooked, Semi Automatic Rifles


– Hey guys, this is Alex and Patrick with another TFB TV video, today’s topic is five overlooked semi-automatic rifles. These guns mostly are no longer made and imported into the
U.S. or made in the U.S. – Actually, I don’t think
any of them are still made. – No, none of them actually. Well, some of them are still
made, just not in the U.S. – Oh, yeah. – Anyways guys, what we have are five guns that are overlooked by most people, because they’re not
common most of the time. They didn’t sell well, in some cases, in some cases they sold really well, and actually provided some ammunition for the ’89 import ban. That was kind of, before 1989, there was a slew of all kinds of crazy tactical rifles being imported, and then in ’89, they decided to halt crime, it would be a good idea to stop the importation of foreign,
what they would call assault rifles, but
are not assault rifles, as they are semi-automatic only. – Yes, these are modern sporting rifles. – Yeah, absolutely. So let’s start off with the first one, which is probably the
ugliest gun on the table. And arguably in the– – Yeah, it’s pretty cool though. – In my collection, but this is A– – No, it’s not the ugliest
one in the collection. – Uh, maybe not. But anyways, maybe that’s
a good five guns top. – Five ugly guns. – But this is a Gwinn
Firearms Bushmaster rifle. It predates the Gwinn Firearms, predates the Bushmaster company, basically it’s a rifle version of a pistol called the Bushmaster ARM
pistol, or the arm pistol, I’m not sure it the originals were under the Bushmaster moniker or not. But it was basically adapted with that same kind of weird long-stroke piston, you can see the piston on the
top, it’s actually exposed. So it’d be like running an
AK almost without a gas tube. But it’s not really something you can see that would impact your hand, unless you wrap around the bolt, then you’d have you know it’s reciprocating– – I don’t think Chris Costa would like it. – Yeah, you’re going to get hurt anyway. – But, it’s got a really
nice folding stock, I mean, that it’s slab side aluminum, it’s you know, if it
weren’t for the barrel being a very heavy profile,
it would be a very light gun. – It would. – But that’s a very thick barrel, that’s definitely at least Colt HBAR diameter, if not larger. – Yeah, I’ll agree with you on that. But it’s very front heavy.
– Yeah. – Which, you know– – It’s a big stainless
twenty inch barrel in there. – Yeah. – But I’m not really sure why they made, I mean, I know exactly why they made it, to make a profit, like
anybody makes anything, but I’m sure they thought
it would compliment their arm pistol will, but it didn’t, because nobody’s heard of it. As a matter of fact,
this is serial number, less than 50, so yeah,
very low serial number, they obviously didn’t sell very well. – I think 43.
– Yeah. So, at serial number 43, I don’t think they turned out a whole
bunch of these things. – No, but it is a very cool gun. And you know, kind of overlooked. – Yeah, definitely overlooked.
– Yeah. A couple of things I don’t like about it, one is, you know, obviously
the unsightliness of it. But, another thing is, so
I don’t sweep you here, the back of the grip, it’s not contoured. It’s almost– – It’s almost like they had the ARM pistol and then it was an afterthought, someone at the factory was like, I bet we can make this a rifle and sell it. – Yeah.
– And then they did, and now, you know, we’ve got these. – But, it’s a cool looking
gun, I do like the wood on it. – That’s all you, my friend. – I didn’t say pretty, I said cool. – Yeah, ok. It’s kind of got that
retro ’80s style to it. – I mean, prior to that– – Got the weird Stoner 63
sight on the back kind of. – I’m thinking like first
SWAT team ever might use something that looked like this, with, you know, their– – Golly gee. – Mesh backed hats with the rope going across the junction
between the brim and cap. – Maybe.
– Kind of thing. – Who knows? But anyways, it’s an overlooked gun. – Yes. – Other than that, there’s not much negative or positive I can say about it. It’s a gun, it takes AR-15
magazines and fires 556. So if you need something that fits that bill, this might do it for you. – Maybe.
– Yeah. Anyways, onto the next one. This is a very overlooked firearm. This is a Beretta AR70. Now the AR70 was actually the mainstay still is, the AR70/90 is the main rifle of the Italian armed forces, it’s now being supplemented by the ARX160, which is a horrible gun, as we tested. – Yeah. – It’s just, I’m sorry
guys, I’m sorry about it. If you got one and you like it, whatever. But I tested a lot of guns for the blog, and that’s probably the
only one I’ve tested where I was just like, wow,
I have to write a bad review. – Yeah. – Cause this is a great gun. – We were at the range shooting and I was like, this is just terrible. But, whenever you pick this up, I came very close to saying this is proof that Beretta can
produce a good rifle. – We actually marked this as proof Beretta can make a great modern rifle. – Yes. – It’s got nice AK rock
in, rock out magazines, all steel, very similar to galil magazine, it’s got a dust cover,
that’s hinged like an M16, good sights, just a very
solid feeling rifle. I’m rattling it and you
can’t hear it at all. – I do like it, it
feels nice in the hands. It’s a very cool looking gun. – Oh, something that’s weird, is the flash hider, isn’t actually separate, it’s the, kind of a barrel shroud setup. So if you unscrew that, you’ve just got bare barrel under there. – That’s a very thin bare barrel. – Yeah, so I’m not exactly
sure why they did that. Maybe it helps with suppressors– – I may have– – Blind firing adapter– – Either that or possibly rifle grenades. – Yeah. – I don’t know if that was something that would have been fielded right around this time– – If you ever served in
the Italian military, maybe chime in and let us know what that was used for, I’m really curious. – Absolutely. – But it’s got a very nice feel to it. – It does. I mean, it shoulders well. – Truly, it’s a good looking firearm, too. Handsome firearm.
– It is. – Unlike the last firearm,
that’s pretty ugly. But, what’s funny is these, I’ve always heard a rumor these got in the country kind of under Beretta’s nose, because when I got the box for this, it says, congratulations on your purchase of a new Beretta shotgun,
model AR70, gauge 223. So I’m thinking, hmm, there
might be some truth to that. Cause I’ve heard that they got in by way of some un-traditional,
nontraditional methods. – I don’t know. – Which would be cool, if true. I haven’t seen many of
these on the market, but they are overlooked, not a lot of American shooters know about them. Cool looking guns, though. – Yeah, I wish Beretta had
brought this here, though. – Me too. Well, they did, it’s here. – I mean, yes.
– In your hand. – I mean– – I wish they hadn’t
been banned by import. – That’s a better way of saying it, yes. – Banned from import. Which is exactly the
case with the next gun. Which is probably one of the most proven and tested guns on the table, that’s going to be the Daewoo K1A1. K1, I’m not sure if it has a roll mark for an A1 or not. – Um, it does.
– Ok, K1A1. Anyways, the Daewoo’s both the K1 and the K2 are both great, however, they’re both different, a little bit. The K2’s a gas piston gun, the K1 is a direct impingement.
– Yes. – If you look at the
carrier, it looks like a Ar 15 Bolt Carrier chopped in half, and you’ll notice it
doesn’t have a buffer tube. Because it has a top spring
arrangement, kind of. It’s kind of a hooked
type deal, like a 6556. – Yeah. – But, it’s a truly
fantastic gun, the Koreans really did their homework. They took the elements that worked best of an Ar 15 and they
deleted what I consider as one of the worst parts of the Ar 15, which is the buffer tube, not that the buffer tubes are
susceptible to breaking, but because they
eliminated the buffer tube, they have an excellent collapsible stock. And it’s got two positions,
or three positions, all the way closed, like Patrick has it. It’s got position one, and position two if you’ve got long arms like I do. Obviously, you guys have probably seen the pictures of Korean
soldiers on the DMZ and stuff, and there were some pretty
monstrously big dudes. I’m not sure if they station the biggest dudes on the DMZ–
– I think they do. – They probably do. – I think it’s an intimidation tactic. – Probably is. Your average North Korean is a lot shorter than your average South Korean. – I know the North Koreans actually picked their guards
based on stature alone. – It sounds, I mean it’s a good thing to do I guess when you’re
trying to show force. But it’s a fantastic firearm, and it’s reliable, it’s very reliable– – It is. – And I’d like to thank the viewers from Korea for giving us these. And keep on keeping on. I’d like to have a K2, but
I’ve been looking for one, you know I’ve been looking
for a nice K2 for– – Yes, you have, I mean,
I think I came across one a little while ago
and it sold very quickly. – Yeah. Unfortunately, they’re hard to find because they’re very sought-after. They’re very, very revered in the U.S. Same with these though,
these are great guns. – They are. – You know when I got
this, how happy I was, I was like, man you’re not
going to believe what I got. What? A Daewoo. – I looked at you like you were stupid. Because in America, they’re
not viewed as good cars. – Right. – And I wasn’t aware of Daewoo being a firearms manufacturer, at the time. – Yeah. So we took it to the 4th
of July shoot that year, and everyone who shot it, loved it. – I really do love this gun. I mean, it’s really pretty fantastic. – It even uses like an almost direct copy of the Ar 15 fire control group, too. – It does. – At least in the semi-auto form. It’s got the same, you can even look, the lower looks like very Ar 15 like, it’s aluminum obviously, but it’s got a, some different machining, although the Magwell is almost identical. – The controls are a
little bit more stretched than the Ar 15 is, it’s
easier to reach everything. – The short story is,
if you like the Ar 15, you’ll almost feel right
at home on this gun. – Yes, I mean, something I do want to touch on is it’s very light. – Oh yeah.
– It handles very well. So, I mean, if you’re
looking for something that’s not an Ar 15– – Korea’s Ar 15, right there.
– Yes. – I don’t know if North
Korea has an Ar 15. Probably not. Anyways, we’ve got the Rob Arms M96 next. I’ve taken this to the
range a couple times, and most, almost everybody goes, whoa man, how’d you get a Stoner 63? And I’ll say, it’s not a
Stoner 63 it’s Rob Arms M96. Now there are very few
interchangeable parts with the Stoner 63, I
believe the shoulder stock and only one other component
actually interchanges. However, it does kind of use the same operating system, gas piston and all. They can even be converted to top feed with a Bren Kit at the time. However, Robinson Arms
no longer makes this gun. It was a commercial
failure, people kind of looked at it and thought,
that’s an ugly gun, I’d rather have an Ar
15, it’s a ban era gun, the American 1994 or 2004– – There’s a lack of a bayonet lug. – No bayonet lug, no
removable flash hider, no threaded barrel, just an integral kind of crummy muzzle brake. – And our friends over
at Iraq Veteran 8888 just did a video on this gun. – Yeah, I saw that they
did that, that’s cool. I like that they’re showcasing some of these old, unusual guns.
– Yes. – That’s actually probably one of our favorite Youtube channels. – It is. – He does, they do a great job over there. You know, this is a cool gun, it’s got adjustable gas, it’s got nice controls, it’s, I really wish I had the Bren Kit, just to show how it could be converted to top feed, cause that’s just awesome. – That would be cool. – Although, I guess I can show how the barrel comes out, you just pull the, lock the
thing, there’s a button, press the button, there’s your barrel. Then you could put in your top feed barrel and you flip the magazine well to the top with just one pin and stuff, and that’s all there is to it. I will put the barrel back in. Now, last up is a gun that we’re very fond of, you guys have seen us talk about it before, probably. – Yep. This is one of our top five Ak’s. – Yeah, this is the
Finnish Valmet or Valmet. I’m not 100% sure how that’s pronounced. I think it’s Valmet. Whatever. Anyways, basically the Valmet’s are we call them Valmet’s
here in the United States because that’s kind of a misnomer. It’d be like calling all Ar 15’s Colts. – Yes. – Because Valmet is a company in Finland that makes all kinds
of different firearms. It’s more accurate to
call these RK Variants the RK’s are the backbone of the Finnish armed forces, they’re basically hot-rodded AK Variants that have been accurized, that have features that I find endearing, such as night sights– – The peep sights. – The peep sights, a gas tube guide, kind of a piston with
like little arms on it that guide it in the tube
to eliminate some slop. – Yeah, it’s kind of a bushing, almost, – Not to mention a kind of a neat wooden laminate stock. – Oh, it looks very nice.
– Yeah. Looks nice. And the gun just handles well. It’s very light for being an Ak Variant. And it’s a very endearing
gun, not to mention it’s got the goofiest
wire cutter in the world. Where you twist the wire
up into the trident, pull the trigger, and then
your round cuts the wire. Which technically is a wire cutter– – I guess.
– But a very loud one. Louder than a set of dikes, for sure. – Yes. – But anyways, this trigger is so light it actually won our trigger pull test. If you, I did an old article a while back. – I think it was what
3.2 pounds or something. – 3.12 pounds or something trigger. And it’s a very nice two-stage trigger that’s just crisp, I mean
crisp as you can imagine. – In terms of, you know, out of the rifles on the table, this might be
my favorite at the range. – I would probably take the Daewoo. I more familiar, I like the
control layout a little better. – Yeah. – And the sighting arrangement. – You’re not as much of a fan of the Ak pattern rifles as I am, I
think this would be my pick. – Fair enough. That’s not a shameful pick at all, guys. But anyways, this is a
good list of five rifles that are overlooked, you probably won’t see them in a whole lot of gun stores, but if you do some looking around on Gun Broker, maybe if you’re interested in one, they’re out there, and you’ll find them for sale, occasionally. The prices seem to be kind of steady, because people don’t know about them. – Yeah. It’s an accurate statement. I have seen these hover, these have gone up in price a little bit, the Daewoos have, in recent years. – Maybe more awareness of– – Possibly, and I think there were a couple other Youtube channels out there working on videos on them. – Yeah. I know that the Koreans love those Daewoo rifles over in South Korea. – And I mean, rightfully too.
– Yeah. – I mean, they’re such a good gun. – Anyways guys, that covers our list for the top five most, best overlooked rifles, semi-automatic rifles. Stay tuned for more top fives and some other shooting videos we have coming out. We love to review these,
we’d also like to thank Ventura Munitions, they’re going to be providing some ammo for some of our upcoming videos, which is awesome. – And Grizzly Targets
are going to be providing some Ar500 targets for us
to go ahead and shoot at. – Yeah. Good targets for us to shoot at. That way we can put the
Go Pros on the targets and that kind of thing,
but until next time, I’m Alex. – And I’m Patrick. – Thanks for watching TFB TV, if you liked what you
saw, hit that subscribe and thank you very much for watching.

100 thoughts on “5 Great, but Overlooked, Semi Automatic Rifles

  1. The Daewoo is the best thing there is in .223, without question.  I have converted so many AR15 buffs to the Daewoo that it hurts me to think about it since I have lost several rifles that way.  I still have a DR200 with the original Daewoo scope mount and a Bushnell 4x scope.  It doesn't challenge the shooter in any way.  What you see is what you get.  No Mods or extra equipment is necessary.  Tiny groups at 100 yards without a scope, as advertised by Daewoo.  the front sight ring is matched exactly to the rear Aperture. When you see a perfect circle, squeeze it off. If you're doing it anywhere near correctly, you won't be disappointed in the results.  All the arms shown are no longer in production for civilians but I sure wish the Daewoo was.

  2. I almost bought the Daewoo in the 90s I did buy the .40 pistol I loved it … now the rifle I looked at had a fixed stock and felt front heavy to me but I do love Daewoo had a Daewoo vcr as well

  3. That AR70 Beretta is the gun that Al Pacino is shooting in the movie Heat. Awesome shootout scene during the bank robbery!

  4. Daewoo K1 was made as a SMG. It was unintentionally way ahead of its time being SMG that fires 5.56. Currently it is used as default by most tank crews or any MOS that requires working in tight spaces. It is also used by many recon or special duty teams, but their K1 are moded with handguard rail making it possible to attach optics and front grips and what not. K2 on the other hand still only get very limited mod option in Korean military with only top rail officially issued for the military (5 years ago they had handguard rail system but idk where they went). K2 with toprail and 11K reddot optic was my service rifle in ROK Marine Corps. Currently both K2 and K1 are being replaced by K2c which is modernized K2 with m4 style buttstock and handguard and top rail as well as front grip for attaching accesaries. K2c has shorter barrel than K2 (as K2c = K2 carbine). It will replace both K2 and K1.

  5. Kinda seeing why their overlooked… They're nice rifles but the cheapest I saw was for 1,700 😂 but that's for a history lesson. Might pick one up when I really come up on some money 😅

  6. Too bad you blew by the Robinson Armament M96 semi-auto like you did. It is the rarest, most versatile, and most desirable rifle on the table. I have the 16" Expeditionary version, and it is the crown jewel of my sizeable collection. It is packed with just about every feature people can add to their AR's, and then some, right out of the box. If we adopted this rifle in full auto (the Stoner 63) for our military, our soldiers would be much better off than they are with SCAR's, M4's or HK's. (That's why it was the SEALS favorite in Vietnam, along with the M14)…. WTF, You didn't even take the time to put the barrel back in??? (No Respect!) …FYI, You can run a search on Gunbroker every day for years (as I have) and never find one, and if you do, you'd find yourself in a bidding war, and have to sell every other gun on the table to pay for it. People who know, know…. you obviously don't!!!

  7. Formally established as a armament factory in 1526 in the village of Gardone located on the banks of the Mella river, in the middle of Val Trompia,Beretta is ,in effect,the oldest firearms manufacturer(or more accurately "mass producer") in the world.

  8. Hey sorry a bit late aha but basically they designed the military Ar70's barrel shroud/cover to act as both a flash hider and grenade launcer mount. But when the made the Comercial one the decided to keep the original cover instead of redesigning one for civilian applications.

  9. The valmet is around the cheap price of 7,000 to 10,000 dollars for a not so popular rifle. The are a fantastic rifle one of the best made just not imported anymore and not many made it when they were. Out of that table that's the only rifle worth it's collector's value. But still a good video.

  10. You stated that Beretta designed a good gun in with the AR70, but the gun was designed by SIG for Beretta

  11. It seems there's always tension when they both do a video. Seems like the tall guy is kind of a bully

  12. Fun fact, NK has AR15 too. North Korean Special Forces adopted Chinese(they manufacturing literally EVERYTHING in the world) Version of AR15 named CQ rifle, and few unlicenced copies of M16A1 for undercover spies.

  13. I’d say the main reason they are ‘overlooked’ is the ridiculously high prices you encounter on these now vintage firearms. Why pay $1200 for a heavy rifle when you can get a lighter, decent quality AR, or AK, for $700, or less?

  14. I know this video is old but DUDE I really hope you got rid of the dwarf. The way he twirls those guns around makes me wanna vomit.

  15. I completely agree that zooming in on the guns so we could actually see what they look like is completely unnecessary and a waste of time. Keep up the great editing… 🙄

  16. Do tell where in the world would make and sell a semi-auto rifle in the world. Canada maybe? I can't figure where there is a civilian or military semi-auto market?

  17. Seriously guys all of these guns were designed for military use saying otherwise is being deceptive. How am I supposed to evaluate the rest of your opinion? When you start with incorrect information.

  18. Leave the charging handle alone!!!! Why do you need to charge the weapon all the time? Give us some closeups rather. I do not give a shit about how you look when you shoulder these weapons

  19. People think the number 4 rifle is ugly? It's beautiful. Maybe because almost every rifle these days looks like an AR-15 clone. There's no variety.

  20. If you like getting feasted on by bugs in the forest, but you'd want to shoot akimbo RK92's on full-auto, join the Finnish army.

  21. Everytime I see patrick in a video I have to laugh. He is such a fool with no interesting knowledge to offer other than "gun go bang." Also his gun safety is hugely lacking, the amount of times he aimed at alex's head throughout this video….

  22. I had a k too many moons ago paid $400 for it and it was a perfect condition used very cool rifle sights were a little low hard to sight in but ice rifle

  23. I had a Daewoo k2 back in the early 90's & it was a fantastic Rifle. Wish I had kept it, Its the one that I sold I regret the most.

  24. I own the preban valmet in 556nato, and it's the finest shooter I have…Head and shoulders above all other AK variants…

  25. Nice video. That being said, and totally besides any relevant point; “Forgotten Weapons,” has a “recommended video,” beneath this video, for almost every gun discussed in this video! Lmao

  26. Hey guys, next time, how about we go for a whole lot of close up shots of every gun while u yammer on, with very little substantiation and even less detailed analysis of each weapon?

  27. Guy in the green needs to practice his muzzle control.. he’s pointed the rifles towards the grey shirt more than a few times… other than that nice vid

  28. Why do modern guns look and sound clunky?
    What happened to slim little rifles like M1 and Tommy gun both firing 30 cal.

  29. perhaps a dumb question but anyone know of a semi-auto BAR style rifle? i kinda hate the nerf gun feeling ones.

  30. The ar70 has that shroud and flash hider setup so that they did not have to turn that ring infront of the rear sight into the barrel. The ring is for rifle grenades, the flashidet and a a section behind it must be 21mm to fit and stabilize a rifle grenade.

  31. Well done. A helpful suggestion. Use black or any dark color with large block letter printing. Some of us are getting old.

  32. I love the Daewoos. Having used the M16 through my 26 year Military career I found that I could recover my sight picture sooner with either Daewoo. Having retired and living in Calif. I have had to dispose my Daewoos and my FNC, another nice rifle.

  33. Overlooked because they're unobtainable…. I own a few obscure firearms but none are as valuable as these. I have a factory 16' FN-FNC that's one of 50 imported. Still half as valuable as any of these.

  34. I had a Daewoo K2 several years ago before the ban. Shot a lot better than my AR's. Could kick my butt for selling it,

  35. This video should be called "guns that you can only have if you are willing to spend 2k+ and know somebody who has one because otherwise you will never find one. Also, you will never have spare parts" . That would be more fitting.

  36. Gentlemen i salute you …

    Even i haven't seen some of those guns… and i watch "ForgottenWeapons" … lol

  37. When the Ku Klux Klan tried to stage a coup in Dominica, they were all armed with Gwinn Bushmasters. THE FBI arrested them before they left the harbor and there's a photograph of the rifles all stacked together in a pile.

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