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224 Valkyrie vs 22 Nosler vs .223 Remington: Wild Speculations!

Welcome to the social regressive! A few
days ago Federal announced a new cartridge: the 224 Valkyrie. There isn’t
much data out there about it but we are going to speculate wildly based on some
of the info that they have provided. And I think we’re going to get a pretty
decent indication of what this cartridge is going to be designed for and
especially how it fits in the market compared to things like the granddaddy,
the 223 Remington and the 22 Nosler, which is still pretty new. It’s going to
be a kind of a tricky business figuring out which one is going to be used for
what applications, but I think just based on what we’ve seen so far I think that
we can kind of figure out where to apply what cartridge to what purpose. And
one of the things that you have to keep in mind as a baseline is that all these
cartridges are designed around this: the ar 15 not the ar 10. Everything is going
to be designed to fit within the magazine limitations that you get with an
ar 15, which usually tops out at about two and a quarter inches 2.250 or
2.260 on kind of the the extreme edge. We’ve had all kinds
of cartridges out there designed to fit within this and to kind of increase that
performance over the old 223, so we’re just going to delve into this and we’re
gonna see: do these differences really make a difference? And when do you maybe
want to pick one cartridge over the other? While I’ve got you right here
I just wanted to point out that this is the Bushnell Engage that I’ve got
sitting up on this ar-15. This is a two and a half to 10 power. I did a review on
this recently so make sure you go check out that review. It’s a really neat scope
for actually some of the things that we’re going to be talking about. As you
start to increase the capabilities of an ar-15 you really want a scope that’s
going to be able to handle the new situations that confront you. Let’s take
a close look at 223 Remington. This is the cartridge that defines the
limitations of the ar-15 platform. You get a pretty slim case; it has a three
hundred seventy eight thousandths rim on there, and the head is pretty much the
same diameter. Has a decent taper going up to a rather short neck; this is two
hundred thousandths on the length right here, and the total length of
the case itself is one point six seven zero inches so not all that long, and
then total max length is going to be defined by the magazines. That needs
to be about two and a quarter inches and then on the bleeding edge you can get
about two point two six zero inside an ar-15 magazine. That’s going to limit
the projectile you can have in this, because you do have a defined case
size, and then you have a defined magazine length. It’s all based
around this the fifty five grain Full Metal Jacket projectile. You can start to
get into some other fun types of projectiles within that weight and that length, so
here’s a hollow point from mid-south. These things perform really well on
critters. Then you can get into some heavier projectiles like these seventy-five
grain Hornady match projectiles right here. These do not really expand. It does have
a hollow point, but it doesn’t act like one. You can still get some increased
distances with this thing, you can increase the energy that you provide on
its target, and these are going to work better than either of these in a game animal
style of situation. This is just going to provide more energy, especially as
distances increase, and this right here is kind of the edge of what you can put
into a 223 case, just because you know otherwise you’re going to be
shoving a lot more projectile down into the case and you’re going to start getting
beyond the limitations of what the magazine can hold. Of course you have
the 77 grain Sierra match kings and really those are kind of the bleeding
edge. I don’t know of any that start to get into any heavier weight, so with
those limitations in mind, what if we wanted to take a 223 Remington cartridge
and just get more powder into it? That’s where you start to get into the
22 Nosler. You take the case of that – you take the body and you blow it out make
it wider. You keep the rim; it’s still a .378 rim so you don’t have to change
out your bolt head, which is really nice. You don’t have to go searching for
special parts for your rifle. Everything’s kind of standard there and
really all you have to do is just swap out the barrel
as well and then you’re good to go. But this one, in addition to just making
things bigger, it does make some improvements in some of the other case
dimensions. First off, that neck that I said was really short on 223 Remington
and which isn’t going to really lend itself to extreme precision? The case
was kind of based on the 222 Remington that has a very long neck. It’s
going to help keep that projectile really stable as it makes the jump to the lands.
the 223 Remington is pretty short and here on the 22 Nosler what we’ve done is we’ve
increased this to 245 thousandths so it’s over the diameter of the projectile and
it starting to get into some of that that good territory where you’re going
to get a really even jump into the lands. Case length is still limited at one
point six seven zero so it isn’t any different than 223, but the shoulder is a
vast improvement, taking that 23 degree angle that you get on 223 Remington and
turning it into 30 degrees and with this you’re just going to get a more
consistent burn and you’re going to get more burn happening inside the case as a
lot of people say, so that you just get more consistency and you’re going to get
probably less throat erosion which is kind of a big deal, because the two cases
that we’re really looking at today – the 224 Valkyrie and this 22 Nosler – since
they’re both increasing the amount of powder that you’re putting behind that
you know that little tube that you’re shoving this projectile down, these are going
to increase the rate of your barrel degradation. That’s one thing to keep
in mind. 223 isn’t necessarily all that great on
barrels. It does kind of burn through them, but compared to these other
two it’s it’s a lot nicer. In addition to the case dimensions you also have the
chamber dimensions. 223 Remington is one that’s known for having a very short
leade before that projectile hits the lands so you can’t really seat your projectiles
out all that far. They started to make some changes as time went on. you
have the 5.56 millimeter chamber which pushes the leade back just a little bit,
and then you get the 223 Wylde or 223 “Wild.” That one makes kind of a
conical leade going into the lands, and it gets
you a little bit longer access for, you know, some of the longer projectiles like the
75 to 77s, and it tends to handle your heavier projectiles better. The 22 Nosler
kind of expands on that. You get a nice long leade so you can handle your heavier
projectiles. This is the kind of cartridge that I think is going to work really
well with both your lighter projectiles like 55s and be able to flex all the way up
to your 75s. Like I was saying you kind of top out because you are limited
by the length of the magazine and in an ar-15 you’re kind of stuck with your 75
grain projectiles. You can’t get into anything bigger. There will be people
that will chamber this in bolt-action rifles, but since this is really designed
as an AR platform round you’re probably not going to find any ammunition for
that. everything is going to be kind of limited to that that AR style. so yeah
you’re gonna top out at 77 grains. so what about this mystery round, 224
Valkyrie? there really isn’t any hard data out there, but there is a little bit
of pirate info out there, and then they have released some imagery. I think
from that we can kind of extrapolate what this case is going to be like, and
how this thing is going to run. first off, there was a guy out on a forum
that managed to find one of the cases out at his range and it was stamped 224
Valkyrie. he said the the base of this thing – the
rim – measured out at 419 thousandths, so around 420 thousands. That kind of
indicates that perhaps this round is based on 6.8 spc, and what they’ve done
is they’ve shoved the shoulder back and then they have necked down to that 224
projectile to hold that the case length overall. If we extrapolate from there
just kind of based on the imagery that federal has released, it looks like it’s
going to be about 1.620 inches in length; somewhere in that ballpark. so it
is definitely shorter than 223 and 22 Nosler and you kind of have to do this
because some of the info that federal has officially officially
released is that they’re going to be dealing with a 90 grain smk projectile which
is just gigantic. if you’re going to be able to run one
those projectiles without having to shove it way back into the case you’re going to
need a much shorter case in that ar-15 if you want everything to come out to be
able to fit in its magazine. so yeah I think we’re looking at about 1.620 inches on case length. The shoulder looks like it’s about 30
degrees, much like that 22 Nosler. The neck length looks like it’s also been
increased just looking at the images and then just kind of extrapolating some of
the lengths that I was able to measure on the base. you know I’m just looking at
the images that they have it looks like it’s going to be about 0.27 inches of
length on that neck, which is considerably longer than even you get on
the 22 Nosler. II think this is going to be a really good one for stabilizing
those projectiles, making sure everything lines up nicely into the lands on
the barrel. I think that this will be a very precise rifle, especially coupled
with that 30 degree shoulder. you should get a good precise burns and probably
the one thing that I can guess at is that you also get a pretty good leade
until you actually do hit the lands, just because people are gonna be messing with
some bigger projectiles. I think there’s gonna be a pretty big jump and that may
make this not an optimal cartridge for some of the lighter projectiles – we’ll see
how this goes, and of course there will be actual hard data later to see how
this will go. But it may not handle 55 grain projectiles
and some of the lighter varmint style stuff quite as well. That’s kind of
to be expected since you know if the first round that’s being developed for
this thing uses a 90 grain projectile; if you’re cutting things back to about 60%
of that mass, then yeah it’s probably not designed for your varmint weight projectiles.
now bear in mind that a lot of this discussion is still speculative. SAAMI
and Federal have not released true stats on the 224 Valkyrie yet, but I think
based on some of the things that we’ve seen I think we can still get a pretty
decent idea of when to choose one cartridge over the other. If there is
some kind of revelatory information that comes later I’ll make a new video and
I’ll link to it somewhere here. But I think we still have a pretty good idea
of when to pick one over the other. 223 Remington not going away anytime soon.
it’s the one that the ar-15 was built around in the first place, so every one
of its parts and you know all the magazines and stuff. this is one that’s
going to be economical. there’s tons of ammunition out there and
actually the ammunition and all those parts they’re all very effective. the
total system is very effective. I use this for taking prairie dogs. this is a
great one for coyotes, and you can start to, you know, bump this up into
larger game like deer and hogs and that sort of thing based on what kind of
projectile you choose and that sort of thing. How you load these, maybe. I have no trouble hitting a prairie dog out to about 350 yards. it does start
to get played with by the wind just because those projectiles they aren’t moving
all that fast and they they don’t weigh all that much, so this is where you
start to get into the the 22 Nosler, and where this one is going to be really
special. first off, 22 Nosler is going to use a
lot of the same parts as 223 Remington including that bolt. you don’t have to
swap out the bolt face or anything like that. you don’t need special parts.
basically, all you have to do is just swap the magazine over to a 6.8 spc
style magazine, and you need to swap the barrel, and then you’re good to go for 22
Nosler. but what are you gonna get in return? okay you’re gonna get fewer
rounds in your magazine, but you are going to get a much flatter trajectory
for varmints and because that case is the exact same length as 223 Remington.
you’re going to get the benefits and the distractions of that of projectile selection
basically you know if you want to run 55 grain projectiles in 22 Nosler it’s gonna
run great and it’s gonna go very fast. you’re gonna get a great flat trajectory
there. if you want to get into some of these heavier 75s and 77s? excellent,
excellent performance. this would be a great one for deer, for you know for
folks they don’t want a whole lot of recoil or they just want to run an ar-15
platform=, and it’s going to be a great predator harvester. you’re definitely going
to be able to increase those distances where you can make hits on things and
it’s going to buck the wind a lot better just because it is moving
faster. 224 Valkyrie: that’s where things start to change quite a bit, and I think
we’re going to kind of get out of varminting for a lot of things just
because there is going to be probably a longer lead in that chamber. We’re
going to see over time how this goes. This might not be a cartridge to choose
if you want to be firing your 55 grain projectiles. so you know we’ll see over time
how people do with that if it does indeed handle those lighter projectiles
really well. but since it is designed for a 90 grain projectile you know that’s kind
of the first loading that we’re seeing out there and that that’s one of the
real telling things about a cartridge: what is its first projectile?
what’s it designed for? the 223 Remington was designed for that 55 grain
projectile, and so everything else is just kind of messing around to see
if they can increase performance there, but it’s still based on 55. 22 Nosler: it
kind of takes that same formula so it’s still kind of based around 55, but
they’ve done some things to make it handle the bigger stuff a lot better. and
then this one it’s designed around a 90 grain projectile so if you start to deviate
from that very much you’re starting to get off kind of in the weeds. the 90s? they’re going to be just excellent for things like like the
predator work that I mentioned earlier, they’re going to be great
against deer, and I think a lot of the match competitors especially are just going
to love this thing. it’s going to be very capable in your PRS style of matches
just because there’s not going to be that much recoil compared to a lot of
others, but it’s gonna stay supersonic a long time. those 90 grain projectiles are
heavy. they’re gonna make havoc with the wind. the wind is not going to
be able to blow them around all that much. so yeah they’re just gonna keep on
trucking and they’re going to deliver a lot more energy downrange than some of
these others that are you know even a 75 green pill. you’re gonna see just a big
increase in how much energy you can put on, especially a target like a
deer or a hog. great choice for that .and then of course they’re going to be the
tactical applications. this is one that I can’t really comment on because I’m just
a hobbyist, but I can really see how if you wanted to be able to take an AR 15
platform and be able to increase the amount of I guess you know your your
hit ratio out at longer ranges and be able to deliver a lot of energy, it makes
a ton of sense to me. I think that really all three of those cartridges are you
know are gonna… 223 is gonna remain as popular as ever.
22 Nosler I think is going to grab you know a good chunk of the market, and 224
Valkyrie as well. and for each of them I really see kind of unique functions for
all of them and I think it just depends on what you want to do. thanks for
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100 thoughts on “224 Valkyrie vs 22 Nosler vs .223 Remington: Wild Speculations!

  1. Great review of the .224 cartridges for the AR-15 platform. I'd love to see a part 2 that includes all the saami and commercial AR-15 cartridges with bullets smaller than .308.
    Variety like this is part of what makes the AR fun. I have a 6x45mm now that's giving promising long range results. It's not too exciting at saami spec pressures but loaded to 5.56 pressures (which will work in an AR using 5.56 brass) bullet weights and range goes up.

  2. The 22 Nosler is not a big enough improvement for the hype it trying put out there. Too many reloader complaint of case destruction on rim even fro factory loading. Sombody needs to improve the bolt handeling it or slow down extraction to improve rim abuse. If it can't be reloaded due to rim abuse then it won't keep a strong following.

  3. The only thing I can see the .224 used for is AR-15 based rifles. Once you get into short action bolt guns you might as well go with the tried and true .243 Win. You can also get .243 Win AR-10 rifles that work ok if you don't mind some extra weight.

    I did some load testing on a friends .243 Win AR-10 and it wasn't easy getting a nice heavy load that would play nice with the gas system. I suspect the same issues with the .224 Valk in AR-15 based guns….

  4. Federal has announced a 100 gr bullet, not sure on what kind but that's a heavy load for a .22 cal. Also kinda smart on federal part with the DOD looking at a different cal for the military. As a guy who has used a AR15 in combat the .22 cal is outdated and under powered. I can see the 6.5 creedmoor as the new standard.

  5. Seems to take some of the ideas behind the 6.5 Creedmoor. Lengthen out the round without widening it too much for a higher BC. Long, skinny rounds fly flatter and are less effected by wind..Its a great concept and works well both for long range precision and killing game…I finally got a chance to take a deer with a supressed 6.5 Creedmoor, Hornady 140 Gr ELD at about 200 yards. A match round that wasn't designed for hunting..Man was I impressed with its lethality..At the same time it was such a clean kill..Deer was dropped the moment the bullet hit and it rolled down the hill. The front shoulder and ribs were caved in about the diameter of a basketball with a small entrance hole. Perfect heart shot with definitive damage to vital organs but it didn't make a mess inside the deer either..It was like a magic bullet lol…So if it's anything like what the 6.5 Creed has done for the 30. caliber, this should be one hell of a round and worth investing in..Give it about a year for people and gun shops to catch up with the tech..6.5 was the same way. Hard to find at First, but now you can get it just about anywhere

  6. .224 looks interesting, but i'd like to see a 6mm cartridge for the AR-15 platform, something like a 6mm Grendel, if that exists.

  7. Just had three custom builders tell me NOT to bother with 22 Nosler if I reload – brass damage was rampant unless I loaded at the extreme light side of the spectrum which defeats the purpose of the cartridge entirely. All three were very excited about 224 Valkyrie – especially with Federal‘ s support.

  8. The 22-250, in my Rem. 700- 24" bull barrel, is on my top of gun list, it's hard to beat, I have taking many big deer with it, hand loads 52gr. Nosler HP, bullets, can't be beat, it will tack in same hole at 100 yds. ONE of my favorite Rifle, in my safe"!!!!!

  9. Can the .224 take down elk? If it can, then I just might buy into this new round. I just bought into the creedmoor rage because it can take coyotes, antelope, deer, and elk. If it can take elk, let me know. Thanks.

  10. This is the first time in a long time that i am really excited about a new round. It really enhances the capabilities of the AR15 platform. Can't wait for parts to become available.

  11. dislike because inches is far from common worldwide measurement
    if you use inch, please don't forget that all entire world needs equivalents in millimetres. For example, I don't understand ALL measurements that you said

  12. Great video, but I think that you should explain better how the .22 Nosler has a rebated rim, allowing for a fatter case with more capacity.

  13. should have been a 6mm,, thats what is needed ,, why another 22 cal,,,? a 243 bullet on this case would have made much better sense,,,and did more in the long run,,,,,

  14. At 2300-2450-ish FPS MV the 6.5 Grendel is not the answer. In 6.5 the higher BC bullets at max load run about 2400 FPS.

  15. In .224 the 90gr SMK has a BC of .563. In 6.5 the 140gr SMK has a BC of .535. Given the AR-15 form factor bolt face and chamber dimensions, .224 Valkyrie smokes the Grendel in my ballistic calculator

  16. Your lineage of the 22-250 is a little off?? It's parent is the 250/3000 Savage, which is a child of the 7X57mm Mauser. Enjoy both of you guys, keep up the fight.

  17. I think what we have here is capitalism in action… something new in the public marketplace, keeps the retail trip rolling where there is disposable wealth. I would refer you to Zediker's work on the 22PPC of many years ago on the match rifle game.Ten years ago. Also Salazar's efforts in benchrest. Some of this stuff on the internet is, indeed… regressive.

  18. How many different grains can you get in it ? That would be and is always one of the first questions I always look for. If you can go heavy or light like you can with the 223, its an advantage if you are a predator hunter.

  19. the established ballistics joined with the ar platform will make this cartridge successful. a barrel burner yes but so is the 243. the 1000 yds from the ar platform with that wind bucking ability will be too hard to resist for a great many shooters. my dream ar cartridge is on the way. The .257 SPC cartridge. an 800 yd cartridge with a 115-120 grain projectile. Not a barrel burner.

  20. I'd like to see an honest test with the 22 nosler. you can by single shooting load a 90 grain bullet out far enough in the leade to more fully load the case with powder. shoot that against the 224 valkyerie and show me how much better it is . I know you can only single load a round this way but thats how most long range shooters shoot anyway.

  21. This 224 Valkyrie cartridge is absolutely everything they claim it is. And the AR-15 platform is the best platform for a fighting Army simply because of its versatility. It is a game changer. Think about it. It is silent and deadly and Incredibly handleable in a short-barreled 300 Blackout. The 224 Valkyrie you've got a 90 grain projectile that can reach out to 1200 yards with a ballistic coefficient over 500. And you've got the two to three cartridge for the infantryman that is effective and accurate after 400 yards.

  22. When I first saw the SPC in 6/8 I thought to myself that should have been a 257. I was short sighted that redesigned SPC cartridge with the 223 or 224 projectile is the work of Genius. It's practicality as a special purpose rifle is right on the button. Very exciting. I am sure the military will use this cartridge. It is perfect for the 18 inch barrel.

  23. Check out Military Arms Channel. Mac and 22 Plinskster have a great presentation on the 224 Valkyrie.

  24. May I ask whic magazines were used during this testing?

    Man if only the ammo was priced as low as this video suggested.

  25. With the major market it always comes down to price. Guys in competition will love this round. The .223/5.56 will still rule king. The military uses it so that means lots of parts and ammo will be cheaper. Just like the .308. This is an interesting round for sure. I lie the stats on it already. Will it ever beat out the .223/5.56? Nope. That will remain mainstream.

  26. On the video, you show over all case length as 1.760, but in the video you say it is 1.670, which is correct??? That is at 5:19.

  27. interesting.
    with those steep shoulders, i wonder how it will feed in full autos?
    will it shine or jam up as the Grendel did against the 6.8 spc……

  28. Love the channel! 👍🏼. Just have to remind others of Hornady’s 6mm HAGAR, which Carl Bernosky made famous (in my eyes) in 2011 when he won the the National Championships with it, in an AR 15 platform. I believe the HAGAR nicely fills that gap 22 plinkster spoke about. The HAGAR uses the same 6.8 spc bolt face and pushes pills, as heavy as 105grn, as fast as 2800 fps. I hate to say it, but it looks look like the HAGAR trumps the Valkyrie’s ballistics. The only problem I see with the HAGAR is that I hasn’t seemed to gain popularity. No factory ammo produced, but Hornady has made runs of brass. Thanks.

  29. Folks looking for 224 Valkyrie reloading info… join us at 224 Valkyrie Reloading on Facebook

  30. All of these rounds are shit unless nato adopts/fields them, Useless if you cant easily find/ buy them in bulk for good prices

  31. Well done – very good points. You have to like the 90 grain base load theory and the fact that all Federal does is make ammo.

  32. Match grade hollow points are not for expansion it there to act like a air dam to keep the bullet fight straight and helps with the bullets bc. According to Sierra

  33. Why does everyone keep saying 75 or 77 is the limit? Have an 80 grain nosler cc load that works wonderful in my ar15…

  34. 90gr SMKs need 1:6.5 twist or faster not 1:7. Many are already finding out the 7 twist barrels are not accurate with the 90gr SMKs

  35. In retrospect, with the benefit of hind sight, the case is a necked down 6.8 SPC which was also an early variant of the AR-15 ammo, and filled the niche for a medium distance engagement military round, and maintained the M-16 / AR-15 logistics advantages.

  36. Moment of inertia is the biggest factor when it comes to wind. Subsonic has little or no effect on accuracy. I wish someone would debunk that myth . You might be surprised what a 22 short can hit at 500 yards.. Set up a truly scientific study. I think you may shock the gun gurus.. Either way it would be fun .Your production is superb. Thank you

  37. Okay, so I have 5.56 AR's, .223 as well as 6.8 SPC. I think I have the bases covered. Yeah maybe this is a great cartridge but I don't see how It's a panacea. I know you didn't say it was. I'm just trying to say that there's no reason I can see to get one (for myself. )

  38. No one should hunt big Game with a 22 caliber bullet ever!!!!
    Its jst not ethical or humainly appropriate. No animal should suffer a long death.

  39. Only pussy's and cold hearted people hunt big game with a 22 caliber bullet.
    U might as well be a female that has no Common sense or ethics!!!!!

  40. Ya it really pays to experiment with diferent bullets and weights, i have found alot of good loads just working up loads for each bullet. every gun shoots em diferent..alot of fun..

  41. .22 Nosler & the Valkyrie= Cartridges for those wankers that are "look at me, look at me" I'm "special". Both dead in the water. Cant beat .223/5.56 for shear availability, variety and usefulness. I run 75gr BTHP & 62gr SS109/M805 projectiles in my rifle, and the beautiful thing is they are almost identical powder loads and need no scope adjustment to shoot 1/2" MOA at 100m. And my 62gr loads fully penetrate 10mm plate at 80m.

  42. It will be hard for any cartridge to overcome all the cheap brass and ammo for the 223 rem! Dies too. The AR guys don't care about a longer case neck for accuracy (just as long as the thing shoots 3 or 4 inches at 100yds), and as long as they look more tacticool then the guy at the bench next to them. The high accuracy 22 guys are a relatively small group compared to some…and the 223 rem is generally fast enough and accurate enough to get it done with cheaper ammo, good barrel life!

  43. Great educational video and straight to the point.  (All without blaring music or nonsensical commentary.)  Thanks for the knowledge and keep up the good work.  Thanks again…

  44. You're not making valid points about magazine limitations of the AR-15…. What magazines do you think you shoot rounds like the .458 SOCOM out of? That's right, the standard 30rd. Mag holds 8 rounds of .458 so, do you even have a clue what you're talking about? No, not a lot.

  45. Nice work and good info. Ive got a couple questions please.

    I have 2 FN AR-15s, a modded 16" M4/RECCE in 5.56 and an 18" match grade sporter/DMR in .223 rem.
    I use a Primary Arms 1-8x ACSS SFP scope on the M4/RECCE which is graduated to 800 yds.
    And i use the mil-based Primary Arms 4-14x ACSS R-grid FFP scope on the sporter/DMR .

    My question is when using the Sig Sauer Elite 77 gr OTMs, both FNs favorite load, which are rated at 2,750 fps on the box (20" barrel?, 24" ???), what is the approximate maximum range of these two rifles before the rounds go transonic?

    Ive taken the M4/RECCE to 550 yds with excellent results but im just wondering if its 16" barrel going to get me to the full 800 yds of my optics BDC or possibly to 1,000 rds?
    And ditto for the 18" sporter/DMR, will it get out to 1,000 yds or possibly more?
    Both FNs are easily sub moa, even sub 1/2 moa at 100 yds on a regular basis and the M4/RECCE has proved to hold that accuracy out past 500 yds so accuracy is not in question, only range.

    I dont have a chrono and rarely get to fire at extreme range but i hope to be able to soon.
    Any info is appreciated. Thanks in advance!

  46. Hello I got a quick question I recently purchased an AR-15 and it was said that its 225 Valkyrie with that being said am I able to shoot 223 or 556 out of it or do I have to change anything on the AR before I can?

  47. IF I WANT a supercharged AR-22X centerfire I will prefer to 'add barrel length' rather than change cartridge and fight with specialty magazines, improper feeding, jamming, and less available ammo. IF a long barrel 223 is not enough : AR-10, AR-308, AR-22/250, AR-6.5-Creedmoor are becoming more available.

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