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1000 Yard Savage Axis Rifle: Which Cartridge is Best? | The Social Regressive


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here this playlist is going to have everything in it. For those of you
that are watching this video I gotta tell you this probably isn’t the most
scintillating unless you’re just a little bit nerdy although it can be
quite controversial for those of you that this does interest. Whatever I
choose today is going to be wrong in the minds of probably 98% of you and I’m
gonna receive lots of comments down below on why I’m wrong; and you’re right.
You’re totally right. I was wrong. It may seem late in the game to be
discussing the chambering of this rifle since, well, I already bought the rifle
and it’s already chambered but actually this was the first thing that I was
thinking about. I picked the cartridge out before I even selected the rifle.
With our budget we don’t have the option to swap in an aftermarket barrel. We’re
gonna have to stick with whatever these rifles come chambered in. We had
those four rifles to choose from: there’s a savage axis, the Mossberg Patriot, Ruger
American, and the Remington 783. And here’s a master list of all the
cartridges that these rifles come chambered for: 223 Remington, 22-250
Remington, 243 Winchester, 6.5 Creedmoor, 7mm-08 Remington, 308 Winchester, 25-06 Remington, 270 Winchester, 30-06 Springfield, 7mm Remington Magnum, 300 Winchester Magnum, 338 Winchester Magnum,
and then the 375 Ruger. The rounds toward the extreme edges of this scale are
going to be easy to throw out, but as I start throwing things out more toward
the middle I know I’ll be stepping on some toes. So what the heck! Let’s get to
steppin’. Let’s start by throwing out varmint cartridges. first on the chopping
block: 223 Remington. A very fine varmint cartridge but the projectiles are too
light and easily blown around by the wind. Also on the chopping block: 22-250. Despite the extra powder charge this one just won’t work mostly because the
rifles that are chambered for 22-250 in this class – they all have a twist rate
that really only handles very very lightweight projectiles. It’s gonna like
those 35s, 45s, up to 55s, and really if you get much past that it’s not going to
stabilize them any more. I wouldn’t mind doing a 600 yard match with 22-250
especially if I could get some of the heavier projectile like 75s or 80s, but
that’s just not an option. Next up, and I’m sad to let this one go,
because this is my favorite cartridge right here: 243 Winchester. This is my
desert island round right here. If I could pick one round that I could use
for the rest of my life I’d take 243 Winchester. It’s so flexible great for
hunting small animals, great for medium-sized animals like deer, very
light recoil, easy to load, components are pretty inexpensive, it doesn’t eat that
much powder, great great cartridge. It’s a barrel burner and again we’re getting
into the same problem that we did with 22-250. The rifles that are in this class
are going to be set up to handle projectiles that are about a hundred grains and
lower. The twist rate just really isn’t there. If I was going to be using 243
in these matches I would really want a twist rate that would allow me to fire
115 grain projectiles. 105s or 107s would be pretty good. But again I think that we
can do something that can outclass this. I’m going to go ahead and throw out the
25-06 Remington. It pretty well falls into this same category. Yes it’s going
to have higher muzzle velocities and yes we will be able to get heavier projectiles
for it, but one of the big problems with the 25 caliber rifles is that there
really aren’t that many projectiles to choose from. I’m very eager to discard
the heavy magnums for several reasons. First, loading those things or buying
ammunition? That would drive me into the poorhouse.
The projectiles are very expensive, brass is very expensive,
it eats a lot of powder, and really all you get in return is just
very harsh recoil. 375 Ruger? No way. I once spent an afternoon firing 21
rounds of 300 Weatherby Magnum from a prone position – which is how I’ll be
competing – and I was bruised in the shoulder for about two
weeks. It was brutal. It was a sporter- weight barrel just like we’re gonna get
with this axis, and it was a plastic furniture. But even though we’re gonna be
having a slightly heavier furniture, no thank you.
I do not want a heavy Magnum. I know that 300 Winchester Magnum is a great
sniper’s round; very effective and that the ballistics are excellent. But I’m
afraid I have to put it into this heavy magnums category. I’m going to get rid of
this one. I’m not really looking forward to firing 60 rounds back-to-back of an
un-braked 300 Win Mag. Because that’s the way these competitions go. You may not
have a muzzle brake and your score be counted, and they kind of shuck you off
way off to the side if you want to fire anything with a silencer or a muzzle
brake. So no, I’m gonna skip this one. 7mm Remington Magnum. I find
this one pretty interesting. I’m going to give this one immunity. It has excellent
ballistics, the recoil is going to be considerably less than a 300 Win Mag, and
the projectiles are pretty fantastic that you can get for it. So we’ll just
jump over this and we’ll go to the granddaddy: 30-06 Springfield.
I’m going to remove this one from the list because yes, it is a very capable
cartridge but again it’s kind of expensive to load for me,
the brass can be kind of expensive, and you really don’t get that much more
performance than you would out of a 308. Now we’re coming back to 7mm Magnum and I’m afraid that I’m removing it from the list. This one
kind of hurts because the ballistics on this round are so good there are many
many projectiles out there that have very high ballistic coefficients. Muzzle
velocities of course are going to be very high. As far as ballistics go this
one is probably my favorite. This one is really nice. But I start getting into
those Magnum problems where the heat is going to heat up the barrel much
faster than a short action round would and with our little sporter-weight barrels
they’re gonna get whippy really fast and those groups are gonna start opening up.
I want something with a smaller powder charge. I want something that
doesn’t neck down quite so much because when you start doing that you start
getting a lot of throat erosion and the barrel starts to degrade pretty quickly.
So sorry, but bye-bye 7mm Magnum. In my mind, the remaining four
cartridges occupy the sweet spot in this group: None of them are going to offer
very wicked recoil, loading is going to be somewhat inexpensive, they’re not
going to eat a lot of powder, and the ballistics on all of them are very good.
Assuming pretty standard muzzle velocities using heavy for caliber
projectiles in these rounds, let’s take a look at some projected ballistics to
figure out which one of these we should go with. The winner as far as drop goes
in a thousand-yard range is 270 Winchester followed up by 6.5 Creedmoor,
7mm-08 and then finally 308. But here’s where the plot thickens.
I’m not actually very concerned about ballistic drop. A flat trajectory is
paramount where distances are unknown, but I know this distance. All I have to
do is aim a little higher with the heavier rounds. What I’m mostly concerned
about is the wind. Assuming a full value 10 mile per hour wind, which cartridge
drifts less? 6.5 Creedmoor takes first place followed by 7mm-08, 270
Winchester, and then finally 308 Winchester. With these wind deviations in
mind, which chamber did I choose? Okay so why 308 Winchester? First off, when I
purchased this rifle the 6.5 Creedmoor hadn’t even been announced yet and my
second choice 7mm-08? That one just didn’t go on sale. The 308
Winchester on the other hand was a very nice price over at Academy and we’re
going to cheat just a little bit because I already have a 7mm-08
barrel that came on a cheaper rifle. We’re actually going to cheat
just a little bit, but we’re actually going to cheat
in a positive direction. We’re actually gonna save a little bit of money using a
7mm-08 barrel that came off the old
Savage budget rifle, the Stevens 200. It might seem dumb to swap out an
inexpensive barrel for an even cheaper barrel, but wait until you see what this
thing can do. I’ve been using this barrel for a while and this thing is
predictably able to print half MOA groups as long as I do the loading
right. And that’s what I’ll be doing to get an edge in this competition. I’m not
going to be firing any factory ammunition. I’m going to be using some
good custom loaded ammunition with some very nice projectiles. Be sure to subscribe
to the Social Regressive so you don’t miss any of the upcoming videos. We’ll be
doing that aforementioned barrel swap, and we’ll be turning 308 Winchester
brass into 7mm-08, which is a lengthy process, but it’s pretty
interesting if you’re the nerdy type.

100 thoughts on “1000 Yard Savage Axis Rifle: Which Cartridge is Best? | The Social Regressive

  1. Face the facts. We are all different. Few of us shoot 1000 yards. I pick the 243 but I won't turn down a 270. Just because I like this one doesn't mean that your choice is wrong. Enjoy shooting sports and have a great day.

  2. You are right that you'd be wrong. I know I'm right and you were right about that as well. 300 win mag rules. You're just not smart about your equipment. Sorry, nice try.

  3. You left out .303 british, if you knew anything about guns you would have included it. That round is capable of more than 1000 yards.

  4. I agree, the 243 Win (and 6mm Rem) are my favorite cartridges of all time. I have a relatively new Rem 700 6mm I'm currently working up a load for deer this fall and I'm in the final stages. It seems to like 48.0 grs RL19 with a 90 grain Nosler accubond, Hornady case and Federal 210 match primer. Getting 3250 fps. Should be a great deer load. Good luck with your project.

  5. I hear all you Hardcore shooters always talking about 6.5 Creedmore how about 264 Winchester Magnum it’s like 6.5 Creedmore on steroids expect way more awesome and a touch nostalgic.

  6. I like the .308..but for long range..the old grand dad is my favorite. The 30-06 can be loaded so many ways..not to mention all the matches that have been won with it. Reconsider it, it may be a viable choice.

  7. For a long distance competition shooter like yourself, you picked the worst of the last 4 ! Were you thinking cheap NATO surplus?!

  8. That or the 7mm mag. If it had been chambered in .300 RUM, that would have been my choice. And my kids love their .243s.

  9. You have a point with barrel burners if you can't do quick barrel cleanings. And the cost, well I always say go big or go home.

  10. I'm not surprised you chose .308. Common, cheap (relatively), and proven. I'll be honest I was rooting for the .308 from the start.

  11. Just my opinion, but the Remington 8mmMAGNUM is better than all of the ones that you listed. Has less recoil than a Remington 7mm Magnum. It has less felt recoil than a 30-30, so before you make a decision on rifles try the Remington 8mm Magnum.

  12. wouldnt get anything less than a 270, maybe a 6.5 prc, however.. not to sure about that being that there's rly a limited selection of brands for that still, an its a fairly new round, my fav is the 7mm mag, but the 270 is very close 2nd, that said, as they say, to each their own

  13. I got an RMR 25-06 ackley built for killing wolves around the 1000 yard mark and a can tell you im not sad I did it’s the best long range gun I have used for the job but like you said you knew you would be wrong lol

  14. "Which Cartridge is Best?"

    I guess we won't ever know because you eliminated most of them before even starting…

  15. I have a doubt, why people choose 6.5 cm over 7mm08 when this one have less bullet drop, less burner, very popular and retains more energy over 1000m?well a little less of recoil of cm is the point in favor but over those features?

  16. i just finished my 1000yrd 270 win AI build and im stacking factory hornadey 140gr whitetail ammo at 100 yards so once i get loads made up for it i think i can get some pretty tight 1000yd groups.

  17. Would you do an in-depth review of two cartridges 7MM-08 vs. .270 Win? I’m in the market of buying a browning X-Bolt. I will be using to hunt White/ Black Tail Deer, Mule Deer possibly small game like fox. These X Bolt are very expensive and I need unbiased advice from a expert as yourself. Can you consider doing such a video?

  18. I guess your choice is heavy use in 1000 yards competition with a lot of wind. So it makes sense that barrel will last with the 178 grain, and the cost is minimal. The 243 doesn't have the heavy bullets and the 270 has 180 grain cost more. Thanks for sharing!

  19. For me i still would go with 270 should of tryed the hornady there way better then win and if you were to hunt with 270 doesnt punch much out of the deer if you were to say using .308 or 7.62 270 is a really good versatile round .

  20. I'm new to super long range shooting, honestly I've never shot super long range.. But, I have had both a Savage axis 30-06, and a Savage 110 30-06 with accutrigger.
    I did some polishing on trigger of axis, and that was all. I made handloads for both guns, found reloader 19 powder to be the best, and 180gr BT polymer tip bullets to be best in both rifles. However the axis consistently kept tighter groups out to 330yds than the 110. I credit that to the axis action. I believe with a good barrel, bottom metal, and bedding the axis action would be a better long range action. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

  21. The 7mm-08 is bigger than a 270 my dad shoots a 270 and I shoot a savage axis 7mm-08 the case is smaller but wider so it has more powder the guy at the gun shop we’re we got my gun said the 7mm-08 was bigger than a 270

  22. One thing is Everyone seems to say 7mm-08 is a Kids Gun I never seen a Kid buy a 7mm-08 I myself love this Cal. I hunt deer elk with it it's been the most accurate and the best shooting gun I own great break down of all these great calibers.

  23. Well, I bought a .270 and love it, but occasionally I will be at the store picking up ammunition and frown looking at the .308 boxes for nearly half the price. Could've put quite a few more down-range for the money and made up for any difference in ballistics with the experience gained.

  24. That first 45 seconds couldn't have been put any better and i thought was hilarious and so sadly true. Perfect youtube disclaimer. Im new to this channel/video series and thank you for posting this it because it is greatly helping me with choosing my long range bolt action caliber. To Anyone that takes your personal preference as an insult and is going to bash you for it
    Why dont you keep the comments clear for us rifle nerds to ask real questions and seek the answers and advice we are looking for

  25. The 6.5 CM is going to shoot the flattest because the spiral rates are much higher than any other round previously designed.

  26. I have a few m.o.a. bolt guns built around stevens 200 actions with McGowen bull barrels in bell&carlson bedded stocks. Now glass withstanding….these builds are around $600.00

  27. The .30-06 is one of the best .30 caliber rifle cartridges. If it’s designed and used by the military, you know it’s good.

  28. Hello I have a question I have a TC venture in 308 nice gun shoots very good. I would like to convert it to 08 what twist and barrel length

  29. When you showed the 308 stamp on the barrel over the 7mm-08 I almost smashed the dislike button lol. Good choice between the two. 270 is also great but it has some caveats such as twist rate and barrel length which have to be considered for long distance shooting.

  30. idiot my 22-250 is fast 3800fps so why does my 7mm rum slower but wear out faster hmmmmmm but my 204 ruger 4200 fps wears good lol morons

  31. Your opinion …..compare very different ammo …. but for me a 30-06 is the most versatile and my favorite varmint is the 22-250 this ammo is unbeatable !

  32. I'm pretty much convinced the Thompson compass is one of the better budget rifle's. I'm not sure when the rifle was released, but I do know it's excellent.

  33. I don't think it's accurate to call 243 a barrel burner at all. It's pretty mild. Tiborasaurus Rex ran a 243 with max handloads for well over 10 years (with the same barrel) as a long range rifle (800-1200 meters).

  34. How bias can you get? It seems like you throw out large calibers simply because of the recoil and components cost, and don’t pay any regard to how these calibers actually function in a long range scenario.

  35. I like both the 270 and 300 win mag. While the 300wm does have a lot of recoil, a good wood stock and good recoil pad would really help a lot. My 270, a Stevens model 200, shoots Federal 150 grain powershock around 1-1 1/4" @ 100 yards. My 300wm, model 70 Winchester, I get about the same group size with the 270 but with Hornady ammo, 180grain. I also really like the 243WIN, which I got the Marlin S7 on sale at MCSports before they closed for $300. That gun shoots under 1 moa with federal fusion 95grain @ 100 yards. As far as hunting goes, I try to be as close as possible as to make the most ethical shot I can. I've never had a deer just drop from any rifle round, even the 300 win mag, but I found the bigger the bullet the better as I hunt wooded areas, I want the best blood trail possible, especially when there is no snow on the ground. Therefore for hunting, I prefer the heaviest, hardest hitting, and largest projectile I can shoot, and usually that's a 12 gauge slug. Not bucking wind or covering much range, but the slug plows through every little branch or brush in the way, where rifle bullets that weight less than 200 grain typically deviate a lot just from thin brush.

  36. So basically you didn't tell us a god damn thing because your choices are based off what calibers you had available to you.

    Also, you cut the 25-06 out and chose a 308 which in 10 mph winds will have 15% less wind drift vs the 308.

    Overall pointless video.

  37. You suck for removing the 3006 ive never seen more moose fall from 1 shot of the 3006 every other cartridge they usually have to hit there big game animal more

  38. The only thing you can do in this situation is buy 1 rife for each caliber 🙂
    This is a good example of why a person needs many guns. Different calibers for different shooting experiences and applications.

  39. Okay, you eliminated the .25-06 because of the bullet size but you leave the 6.5 Creedmore in the running?  Isn't it also a .25 cal bullet?  I'll take the .25-06 w/ 120gr bullet any day over the creedmore.

  40. The .30-'06 is superior to the .308 as far as external ballistics is concerned. Not by much but enough to make me choose it over the .308. You say you're concerned about wind drift then choose a bullet that is more susceptible to it. Not much of this makes sense.

  41. I have an axis in 25-06 with a boyds wood stock and I worked the trigger myself. It makes friends with over 1k into their builds jealous.

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